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Re: News & Discussion: Trams

#2116 Post by adelaide transport » Mon Dec 18, 2017 12:46 pm

Glengowrie Depot/tram maintenance is operated by Bombardier.

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Re: News & Discussion: Trams

#2117 Post by Torrens_5022 » Mon Dec 18, 2017 6:00 pm

A private airport express tram and an all stops Henley Beach tram could work, you could easily get the 10 bus stops between the city and airport road down to 5 or 6 tram stops. The airport express tram could run every 15mins and be slotted in between a tram to Henley every 10 or 15mins. It would be an odd situation but could work, would you have the airport tram stop on Henley Beach Road? it's fees would be different, unless there was gates at the airport like in Sydney and a "gate fee" is applied.

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Re: News & Discussion: Trams

#2118 Post by SBD » Mon Dec 18, 2017 6:59 pm

Torrens_5022 wrote:
Mon Dec 18, 2017 6:00 pm
A private airport express tram and an all stops Henley Beach tram could work, you could easily get the 10 bus stops between the city and airport road down to 5 or 6 tram stops. The airport express tram could run every 15mins and be slotted in between a tram to Henley every 10 or 15mins. It would be an odd situation but could work, would you have the airport tram stop on Henley Beach Road? it's fees would be different, unless there was gates at the airport like in Sydney and a "gate fee" is applied.
Is there anything other than "tradition" that says that public transport to/from an airport should cost more than any other route on the network?

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Re: News & Discussion: Trams

#2119 Post by fishinajar » Mon Dec 18, 2017 7:24 pm

rubberman wrote:
Fri Dec 15, 2017 8:25 am
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I wonder how many trams Glengowrie is capable of holding - must be reaching the limit. Not many tracks AFAIK.
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Which brings us to the question of where would they stable a larger fleet of trams if the extensions to the suburbs ever happened.

Any ideas?
I think I've commented before?.. but there is ample space around the current depot, some owned by the state government I think, currently being used for carparking, stables and the like. Some minor acquisition and relocating carparking over to the racetrack side would easily allow for expansion at the present site. This would allow for a singular consolidated site. It could also be temporary, to allow for a east or west link for example, until such time as prospectLink is done, which of course a new re-located much larger depot at islington or dry creek is a no-brainer.

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Re: News & Discussion: Trams

#2120 Post by Goodsy » Mon Dec 18, 2017 7:39 pm

How about the coca cola bottling plant site on port road as a depot

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Re: News & Discussion: Trams

#2121 Post by fishinajar » Mon Dec 18, 2017 7:45 pm

Goodsy wrote:
Mon Dec 18, 2017 7:39 pm
How about the coca cola bottling plant site on port road as a depot
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Too prime a site. Better suited for redev.

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Re: News & Discussion: Trams

#2122 Post by Kasey771 » Mon Dec 18, 2017 8:10 pm

Goodsy wrote:How about the coca cola bottling plant site on port road as a depot
Pretty sure that’s earmarked as prime high density housing land, iirc that’s why coke left... the land was rezoned and was more valuable as not a factory.


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Re: News & Discussion: Trams

#2123 Post by rubberman » Mon Dec 18, 2017 8:29 pm

Here's an alternative to the Downer proposal that may have merit. Let's say the State Government builds track and runs trams to Henley Beach. Downer builds track from the Airport to Henley Beach Road and then runs trams over the government's track to town. The Government charges Downer a fee per trip depending on the cost and type of car. Then Downer charges whatever it likes for the Airport service.

The reason this might work is because a line to the Airport with only 3 stops in Henley Beach Road is really only for tourists, the airport and hotels. It really isn't a direct substitute for Adelaide Metro services along HBR. So, a separate fleet, operated by a separate operator at separate prices isn't a big deal. If Downer can make it work at whatever price they like, good for them. Similarly, if they pay the State Government a fee per trip that's designed to cover a fair proportion of construction and maintenance costs, that might make the Henley Beach line viable for normal Adelaide Metro services. I see a big win-win. Additionally, the fee per trip would be assessed on the type of tram running. Citadis would be charged more than Flexitys for example. Other types might be cheaper than Flexitys if their track wear is less etc. Similarly for power consumption.

This would cover much of the objections to such a scheme, and might make the Henley Beach extension viable.

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Re: News & Discussion: Trams

#2124 Post by Eurostar » Mon Dec 18, 2017 11:19 pm

There should of been land put aside in the Bowden area for a depot

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Re: News & Discussion: Trams

#2125 Post by Algernon » Tue Dec 19, 2017 3:39 am

SBD wrote:
Mon Dec 18, 2017 6:59 pm
Torrens_5022 wrote:
Mon Dec 18, 2017 6:00 pm
A private airport express tram and an all stops Henley Beach tram could work, you could easily get the 10 bus stops between the city and airport road down to 5 or 6 tram stops. The airport express tram could run every 15mins and be slotted in between a tram to Henley every 10 or 15mins. It would be an odd situation but could work, would you have the airport tram stop on Henley Beach Road? it's fees would be different, unless there was gates at the airport like in Sydney and a "gate fee" is applied.
Is there anything other than "tradition" that says that public transport to/from an airport should cost more than any other route on the network?
For one, cabbies (via their union) have a big problem with being priced out of the market for airport pickups. Many transport costs are reflective of politics rather than underlying costs.

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Re: News & Discussion: Trams

#2126 Post by fishinajar » Tue Dec 19, 2017 7:27 am

Eurostar wrote:
Mon Dec 18, 2017 11:19 pm
There should of been land put aside in the Bowden area for a depot
Would have saved on remediation costs, but again, too prime a site.

Adelaide airport would probably be a good location if we do get a line there first.

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Re: News & Discussion: Trams

#2127 Post by how good is he » Sat Dec 30, 2017 1:01 pm

Does anyone know how the new Riverbank tram stop/scheduling will work? Will the trams from the casino turn left onto King William St or will the existing line just keep going straight (or both?) and how will it impact the existing route/how often they run? I know the tram from the entertainment centre/casino will run up/down North Tce to those service new stops.

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Re: News & Discussion: Trams

#2128 Post by how good is he » Sat Dec 30, 2017 1:01 pm

Does anyone know how the new Festival Plaza/Riverbank tram stop/scheduling will work? Will the trams from the casino turn left onto King William St or will the existing line just keep going straight (or both?) and how will it impact the existing route/how often they run? I know the tram from the entertainment centre/casino will run up/down North Tce to service those new stops.
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Re: News & Discussion: Trams

#2129 Post by how good is he » Sat Dec 30, 2017 1:07 pm

Adelaide tram extension works to close North Tce, King William St intersection
Jade Gailberger, City Editor, The Advertiser
December 29, 2017 5:10pm
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ADELAIDE’S busiest intersection will be shut from Monday to lay tram tracks that set in concrete the State Government’s decision to exclude a right-hand turn to the East End.

The intersection at North Tce and King William St will be closed for a fortnight while Stage 4 of works are undertaken as part of the $80 million tram extension project.

Work on the controversial intersection will be conducted around the clock to minimise disruption, which will see buses replace trams and timetable changes between Victoria Square and the Entertainment Centre for three weeks.


Roadworks for the tram extension on North Tce, on Friday. Picture: Calum Robertson
Public buses and cars will also be forced to take detours around the intersection and make new alternate stops between January 1-15.

A spokesperson for the Department of Planning, Transport and Infrastructure (DPTI) said the works include the installation of overhead wires and tram tracks at the intersection.

“The intersection will be reopened before Stage 2 of the Tour Down Under,” they said.

Works could also impact a Big Bash League match on Tuesday, January 9, and traffic heading to performances of The Rocky Horror Show, which runs until January 13 at Festival Theatre, where a new foyer was reopened this week.
ern entrance to the Adelaide Railway Station will be reopened during major events, with footpaths to remain open and crossings provided during the works.

SA Power Networks will also undertake works along North Tce as part of the tram project, resulting in speed and lane restrictions between Frome St and Gawler Pl from January 8-25.

Retailers in the precinct have again raised concerns about access to the CBD and the works’ impact, prompting Rundle Mall Management Authority general manager Amanda Grocock to ask for delays.

“Given that the post-Christmas sales period is so important to business, the RMMA requested for the start date of Stage 4 to be delayed by a few days. Unfortunately, this request could not be accommodated by DPTI,” she said.


Works for the tram lines on North Tce. Picture: AAP / Russell Millard
Transport Minister Stephen Mullighan has repeatedly defended the State Government’s decision to exclude a right-hand turn from King William St into North Tce, stating it gets “the balance right” between maintaining traffic flow through the intersection and running very high frequency services along North Tce to the East End end.

But the move has come with staunch opposition from the Adelaide City Council, East End Coordination Group, Property Council, Conservation Council, and Civil Contractors Federation.

Opposition transport spokesman David Pisoni said this was Labor’s last chance to “deliver the job properly”.

“It (a right-hand turn) will need to be done at some stage in the future and it’s disappointing that the government isn’t doing it now

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Re: News & Discussion: Trams

#2130 Post by Patrick_27 » Sat Dec 30, 2017 2:11 pm

I love reading The Advertiser's attempts at trying to bash this when their reporters have little to no idea what they're talking about... I agree that the State government are stupid for not including the r/h turn but for Pisoni to chime in and say that the government had one last chance to get the job done properly... a). the Liberals have long been opposed to the extension of tram network (and have zero PT plan for if they were to win government), they're not one's to talk about how the project should be done. b). if the government were to spend up the extra $$ to include the r/h turn, the Libs would then bash the government saying something along the lines of: "Had this been included in the original plan, it wouldn't have cost as much to include!" You can never win with these morons.

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