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Re: News & Discussion: Trams

#3421 Post by Ser Noit of Loit » Thu Aug 23, 2018 8:31 pm

The tram extension would have put serious doubt in the average citizen's mind about the benefits of tram lines. Even though its use could end up being as successful as the existing line, when the time comes to get serious about building the North Adelaide, Norwood or airport extensions, the government that proposes them could lose voters because the bungled execution of this extension.

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Re: News & Discussion: Trams

#3422 Post by rubberman » Fri Aug 24, 2018 8:29 am

Ser Noit of Loit wrote:
Thu Aug 23, 2018 8:31 pm
The tram extension would have put serious doubt in the average citizen's mind about the benefits of tram lines. Even though its use could end up being as successful as the existing line, when the time comes to get serious about building the North Adelaide, Norwood or airport extensions, the government that proposes them could lose voters because the bungled execution of this extension.
That's true enough. While I might lament things such as excessive costs, inferior Citadis, and missed opportunities, voters don't notice that stuff. However, delays like this do get noticed.

Is it a bad thing? Well, if it focuses the government and opposition on better value for money, and on the importance of having a well designed system rather than anything, even if it's poorly designed, then that's a good thing. If it means that trams are going to get a bad image, well, on the outcomes so far, isn't that deserved?

As far as how the project has been managed is concerned, I would point out that in the first six months, services were relocated, tracks including the North Terrace junction were laid, poles erected, overhead strung up and stop construction under way. Frankly, that's not so bad. It's the last 6 months where almost nothing other than 3 stops and some lights have been built that's the problem.

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Re: News & Discussion: Trams

#3423 Post by citywatcher » Fri Aug 24, 2018 8:45 am

rubberman wrote:
Ser Noit of Loit wrote:
Thu Aug 23, 2018 8:31 pm
The tram extension would have put serious doubt in the average citizen's mind about the benefits of tram lines. Even though its use could end up being as successful as the existing line, when the time comes to get serious about building the North Adelaide, Norwood or airport extensions, the government that proposes them could lose voters because the bungled execution of this extension.
That's true enough. While I might lament things such as excessive costs, inferior Citadis, and missed opportunities, voters don't notice that stuff. However, delays like this do get noticed.

Is it a bad thing? Well, if it focuses the government and opposition on better value for money, and on the importance of having a well designed system rather than anything, even if it's poorly designed, then that's a good thing. If it means that trams are going to get a bad image, well, on the outcomes so far, isn't that deserved?

As far as how the project has been managed is concerned, I would point out that in the first six months, services were relocated, tracks including the North Terrace junction were laid, poles erected, overhead strung up and stop construction under way. Frankly, that's not so bad. It's the last 6 months where almost nothing other than 3 stops and some lights have been built that's the problem.
I think that last paragraph is important
Regardless the last six months has showed a lack of professionalism and more a desire to score political points

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Re: News & Discussion: Trams

#3424 Post by timtam20292 » Fri Aug 24, 2018 11:55 am

Latest update:
Dear Stakeholder

Thank you for your continued patience whilst driver training continues.

Works scheduled over the weekend include:

Minor concretes works from Friday 7:30pm – 6am

General re-instatement works, including installing pole bolt covers, pit labelling and installation of protective bollards, from Sunday 7:30pm – 6am.
Some speed and lane restrictions will apply in the vicinity of the works. Lanes adjacent tram stops will be closed while works are undertaken, with one lane maintained in each direction. Access to businesses will be maintained.

A further update will be provided next week.

For more information on the City Tram Extension Project please visit www.citytramextension.sa.gov.au, call the enquiry line on 1300 030 919 or email DPTI.CityTramExt@sa.gov.au.

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Re: News & Discussion: Trams

#3425 Post by EBG » Sun Aug 26, 2018 1:37 pm

Still testing -tram 201 at Gawler Pl stop Sunday 12.30 Pm
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Re: News & Discussion: Trams

#3427 Post by AndyWelsh » Tue Aug 28, 2018 12:02 pm

Llessur2002 wrote:
Thu Sep 28, 2017 10:06 pm
Lots of action all along North Terrace this eveningImage
September 2017 and we still don't have a launch date for September 2018.

The German experts fixed the last problem by August 3rd, so how much more driver training and stress testing can they do before it opens?

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Re: News & Discussion: Trams

#3428 Post by Haso » Tue Aug 28, 2018 5:38 pm

AndyWelsh wrote:
Tue Aug 28, 2018 12:02 pm
Llessur2002 wrote:
Thu Sep 28, 2017 10:06 pm
Lots of action all along North Terrace this evening

September 2017 and we still don't have a launch date for September 2018.

The German experts fixed the last problem by August 3rd, so how much more driver training and stress testing can they do before it opens?
Maybe they are waiting for 17 March 2019 to complete another driver tranining because Mr Marshall promised the right turn would be built in his first 12 months in office… :D
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Re: News & Discussion: Trams

#3429 Post by I Follow PAFC » Tue Aug 28, 2018 6:25 pm

there are new fears of an electrocution risk with the trouble-plagued city tram extension.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1034359030934732802
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Re: News & Discussion: Trams

#3430 Post by rubberman » Tue Aug 28, 2018 7:14 pm

I Follow PAFC wrote:
Tue Aug 28, 2018 6:25 pm
there are new fears of an electrocution risk with the trouble-plagued city tram extension.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1034359030934732802
That sounds odd. I know the Gold Coast extension had some problems with this as well. However, those stray currents and associated voltage are usually very small. Maybe electrocuting ants? The main concern with stray currents is corrosion of other services such as water pipes. So, while there may be a problem, I'm not sure if Channel 9 has got the right picture here.

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Re: News & Discussion: Trams

#3431 Post by ml69 » Wed Aug 29, 2018 1:08 am

rubberman wrote:
Tue Aug 28, 2018 7:14 pm
I Follow PAFC wrote:
Tue Aug 28, 2018 6:25 pm
there are new fears of an electrocution risk with the trouble-plagued city tram extension.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1034359030934732802
That sounds odd. I know the Gold Coast extension had some problems with this as well. However, those stray currents and associated voltage are usually very small. Maybe electrocuting ants? The main concern with stray currents is corrosion of other services such as water pipes. So, while there may be a problem, I'm not sure if Channel 9 has got the right picture here.
What is different about this East End tram extension compared to the Entertainment Centre extension that poses this electrocution risk? I don't seem to recall there being this problem with the previous extension?

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Re: News & Discussion: Trams

#3432 Post by AndyWelsh » Wed Aug 29, 2018 8:22 am

ml69 wrote:
rubberman wrote:
Tue Aug 28, 2018 7:14 pm
I Follow PAFC wrote:
Tue Aug 28, 2018 6:25 pm
there are new fears of an electrocution risk with the trouble-plagued city tram extension.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1034359030934732802
What is different about this East End tram extension compared to the Entertainment Centre extension that poses this electrocution risk? I don't seem to recall there being this problem with the previous extension?
Something about an unproven insulation around the rails.



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Re: News & Discussion: Trams

#3433 Post by Mpol03 » Wed Aug 29, 2018 8:38 am

One wonders... what if this mess has been some what encouraged by the current state government, dissuade people from any further team extensions?

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Re: News & Discussion: Trams

#3434 Post by rubberman » Wed Aug 29, 2018 9:36 am

AndyWelsh wrote:
Wed Aug 29, 2018 8:22 am
ml69 wrote:
rubberman wrote:
Tue Aug 28, 2018 7:14 pm

What is different about this East End tram extension compared to the Entertainment Centre extension that poses this electrocution risk? I don't seem to recall there being this problem with the previous extension?
Something about an unproven insulation around the rails.



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That's what the TV report said, but I'm struggling to see how that would lead to electrocution danger. I guess we will have to wait for further info. What we have at the moment is confused, to say the least.

Mpol, I'd be surprised if the present government would need to invent anything. They have said they would look at a couple of tram extensions, and do them if they stack up economically. Since those extensions are extremely expensive, with no attempt made to bring costs down to something reasonable, the chances of them being economic are close to zero. The government doesn't have to invent technical faults to kill trams, high construction costs do their job for them.

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Re: News & Discussion: Trams

#3435 Post by Nathan » Wed Aug 29, 2018 9:43 am

Mpol03 wrote:
Wed Aug 29, 2018 8:38 am
One wonders... what if this mess has been some what encouraged by the current state government, dissuade people from any further team extensions?
It seems like a silly conspiracy theory, but when you watch two guys take an entire month to tile a single platform, you have to wonder.

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