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Re: News & Discussion: Squares and Parklands

#391 Post by timtam20292 » Mon Aug 13, 2018 10:17 pm

Nathan wrote:
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Am I the only one who hates Exeloos? Every one I've been in has the floor flooded, toilet seats are often broken, and the music crackles in and out. Given the choice, I would still prefer to use the normal public toilets near the northern pedestrian entrance to the TAFE carpark.
I walked in on a homeless man sleeping inside one once.

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Re: News & Discussion: Squares and Parklands

#392 Post by Norman » Mon Aug 13, 2018 10:27 pm

Nathan wrote:
Mon Aug 13, 2018 9:20 pm
Am I the only one who hates Exeloos? Every one I've been in has the floor flooded, toilet seats are often broken, and the music crackles in and out. Given the choice, I would still prefer to use the normal public toilets near the northern pedestrian entrance to the TAFE carpark.
The one I used at Croydon Station was quite good, I like that you don't have to touch a lot of buttons, you can just hold your hand out in front of it.

I just wish we had a generally more respectful society like in Japan, where toilets always seem to be clean and.. operationally working.

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Re: News & Discussion: Squares and Parklands

#393 Post by GrowAdelaide » Tue Aug 14, 2018 10:52 am

Norman wrote:
Mon Aug 13, 2018 10:27 pm
Nathan wrote:
Mon Aug 13, 2018 9:20 pm
Am I the only one who hates Exeloos? Every one I've been in has the floor flooded, toilet seats are often broken, and the music crackles in and out. Given the choice, I would still prefer to use the normal public toilets near the northern pedestrian entrance to the TAFE carpark.
The one I used at Croydon Station was quite good, I like that you don't have to touch a lot of buttons, you can just hold your hand out in front of it.

I just wish we had a generally more respectful society like in Japan, where toilets always seem to be clean and.. operationally working.
I would too, but I wouldn't hold Japan up as a shining example - I've been to plenty of shitty (pun intended) public toilets, especially in some of the train stations and regional areas.

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Re: News & Discussion: Squares and Parklands

#394 Post by Llessur2002 » Fri Sep 28, 2018 3:38 pm

Piece in the Adelaide Review today about the new Riverbank Entertainment Precinct Advisory Committee:
Slings and arrows: Return of the Riverbank revamp

New Riverbank high-rise fears

A Riverbank Entertainment Precinct Advisory Committee (REPAC) was announced on September 4, 2018 by the Marshall State Government. Its 380 ha Greater Riverbank zone runs from Gilberton to Bowden. About half is subject to city council care and control – but that’s now under question.

REPAC will be different from Labor’s 2013 Riverbank model. The original authority was to sit outside of government agencies and encourage future private sector development to complement existing public investment. It operated independently of the stakeholders in the Riverbank Institutions zone. But now it’s to be dependent on their participation, as well as potential newcomers at the discretion of the planning minister.

The news coincided with the emergence three weeks ago of a city council-badged international investment brochure, highlighting a ‘proposal’ for a 27-storey hotel tower west of the Morphett Street bridge. The $300 million concept had been flagged by Labor investment and Trade Minister Martin Hamilton-Smith in December 2017, to occupy 10,000 sqm of park lands adjacent to Torrens Lake, overlooking the golf course and Adelaide Oval.

Concerns arising from the September 2018 announcement, especially about park lands development, are supported by warnings in a city council agenda paper written five years ago. It examined the implications of 2013 amendments to legislation about planning and urban renewal. Revised law now allows for creation of a precinct authority that can create precinct plans as a substitute for existing city and park lands Adelaide (City) Development Plan provisions. That plan has for years been ‘the rule book’ guiding what can be built, and where.

The potential for a new wave of high-rise development in the park lands on both sides of the river is now more feasible. REPAC aims to create a precinct master plan, and advise on major capital projects, events, branding and marketing. Membership will comprise SkyCity Casino, the InterContinental Hotel, Adelaide Convention Centre, Adelaide Festival Centre, the Adelaide Oval Stadium Management Authority, Adelaide City Council and Renewal SA. It will be chaired by Roger Cook, whose background is in commercial real estate, and former chair of the Motor Accident Commission. It will not report to the council, the traditional park lands ‘custodian’, but direct to the planning minister, Stephan Knoll.

Warnings, five years ago

The 2013 council paper warned that Labor’s then amendments could have negative consequences for SA’s planning system, at the time regarded as one of the simplest in Australia.

It would introduce the concept of “new authorities, with ‘project delivery’ powers”, roles unavailable to other planning authorities, and new planning instruments: precinct master plans and implementation plans. But it dangerously blended policy, development control and development facilitation functions and gave the planning minister new, discretionary powers.

Moreover, the council noted that he “need not adhere to the Planning Strategy in terms of growth, urban renewal priorities, land use, urban form and other key matters addressed in the Strategy”. This Strategy is the fundamental state policy guide about orderly planning – what should, and should not, be built, and why and where.

The council noted that Adelaide’s park lands were “managed under unique governance arrangements. … Given [these], and the role of the Adelaide Park Lands Management Strategy, the park lands should be exempt from the proposed precinct planning provisions…”

This plea resulted in a late 2013 compromise amendment that the Adelaide Park Lands Authority must consent to gazettal of a ministerial notice of establishment of a section of park land as a precinct. But the provision is not as clear-cut as it sounded and, on past history, the Authority is unlikely to withhold consent.

The council at the time noted multiple other risks. They included “potential [under the amended law] to override public interests, such as historic heritage conservation, long-term sustainability goals, with the opportunity to confer wide discretionary powers and limited safeguards”.

Old horrors potentially resurface

The 2013 council paper noted a concern by the Local Government Association (LGA) that under unclear criteria for establishment of a precinct by a minister there was “a risk that precinct planning could be used as another bypass mechanism to avoid other statutory processes, as with ‘major projects’ under section 46 of the Development Act 1993” (now updated and renamed but not significantly amended in regard to this section).

In park lands terms this fear links to the Labor Rann government’s delivered pledge in 2005 to disable this section of that Act as it interacted with the Adelaide Park Lands Act 2005. It ensured that future governments could not use it to lawfully allow big developments on the park lands. It means that, notwithstanding this continuing disablement, a precinct plan might bring back similar potential to trigger new park lands development.

The LGA also had concerns that developers themselves could initiate requests that a minister establish an area of land as a ‘precinct’; that a precinct authority may establish a community reference panel, but only if a minister desires it; and that ‘commercial in confidence’ provisions under the Local Government Act 1999 could frustrate transparency.

Other advisory body fears dated back even earlier, to 2011. The Productivity Commission had warned that: “… bodies making policy should be separate from those administering it, whatever the level of government involved.”

Seven years later, it appears that ministers in the new government only have ears for the siren song of international investors keen to test potential for development opportunities on Adelaide’s park lands.

Ash Whitefly is Executive Director of the Adelaide Whitefly Institute of Diplomatic Studies.
From: https://www.adelaidereview.com.au/opini ... Newsletter

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Re: News & Discussion: Squares and Parklands

#395 Post by Nathan » Mon Feb 25, 2019 2:45 pm

I still think the wasted bit of parklands between the rail lines and the river west of Morphett St was a better location, but it's something.
Adelaide CBD: $3m city skate park announced for West Tce
https://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/sou ... 38fdabf3a0

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A new city skate park will be built on West Tce and open next year, finally ending the long-running saga to replace a former CBD facility which was razed for development.

Transport Minister Stephan Knoll on Monday revealed a $3 million vision for Park 25, also known as Gladys Elphick Park or Narnungga, which he called an “ideal location”.

Skaters have been without a permanent city site since 2015, when Adelaide City Council’s former North Tce park was closed to make way for construction of a UniSA health building. The new plan is a partnership between the State Government and Adelaide City Council.

Mr Knoll said it was due for completion in the first half of next year, after further work on planning and design as well as consultation over the park’s “exact location and scope”.

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“The Marshall Government is delighted to announce that soon we will again have a fun and safe location for a city skate park,” Mr Knoll said.

“It’s well connected and serviced by our tram network, making it easy for young people and other users to access the skate park.”

He said the former Government “tore down” the old park without plans for a replacement. In last year’s election campaign, Labor made a similar $3 million promise to fully fund a City Council plan for a new skate park off West Tce, opposite the Hindley St intersection.

Lord Mayor Sandy Verschoor said the process had taken “far too long”.

“Council has strongly and consistently lobbied the State Government for a new facility since the closure of the North Terrace skate park,” she said.

“I sincerely thank the new State Government for listening and taking decisive action to provide the funding required.

“I look forward to working with the local skate and BMX communities, as well as other stakeholders, to ensure that this facility is accessible, inclusive and enjoyable.”

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Re: News & Discussion: Squares and Parklands

#396 Post by [Shuz] » Mon Feb 25, 2019 3:12 pm

I'm a bit confused. Haven't they just spent the last 6 months upgrading and landscaping this very bit of the parklands?
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Re: News & Discussion: Squares and Parklands

#397 Post by Nort » Mon Feb 25, 2019 4:15 pm

Nathan wrote:
Mon Feb 25, 2019 2:45 pm
I still think the wasted bit of parklands between the rail lines and the river west of Morphett St was a better location, but it's something.
I wouldn't be surprised to see something announced for that site in the next couple of years.

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Re: News & Discussion: Squares and Parklands

#398 Post by claybro » Mon Feb 25, 2019 5:29 pm

[Shuz] wrote:
Mon Feb 25, 2019 3:12 pm
I'm a bit confused. Haven't they just spent the last 6 months upgrading and landscaping this very bit of the parklands?
I was over there on the weekend and drove past here. I did notice it had been "tidied up" a bit, but if that is the finished product, well its no great loss if they rip the whole thing up and put the skate park in. On that note, if it ends up like the area around the BMX park, well it will end up an eyesore anyway. Seriously, who is in charge of landscaping in the ACC?

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Re: News & Discussion: Squares and Parklands

#399 Post by Mpol03 » Mon Feb 25, 2019 9:13 pm

I agree the new area around the cricket grounds looks awful and so unfinished. When I saw the above article I thought they had perhaps started on the site park already as it looks so unfinished.
So why the city spend the money on relanscaping only to have it torn up? Where’s the vision?

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Re: News & Discussion: Squares and Parklands

#400 Post by EBG » Tue Feb 26, 2019 4:28 pm

$3M for some concrete slopes , some concrete blocks, steps with handrails, a duck pond, and maybe replace a few trees, Is this really worth half a dozen new houses?
No doubt this will take at least a year to build. Any self respecting builder should be able to do this for under $100,000.

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Re: News & Discussion: Squares and Parklands

#401 Post by Pikey » Tue Feb 26, 2019 7:06 pm

EBG wrote:
Tue Feb 26, 2019 4:28 pm
$3M for some concrete slopes , some concrete blocks, steps with handrails, a duck pond, and maybe replace a few trees, Is this really worth half a dozen new houses?
No doubt this will take at least a year to build. Any self respecting builder should be able to do this for under $100,000.
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Re: News & Discussion: Squares and Parklands

#402 Post by Waewick » Tue Feb 26, 2019 7:18 pm


EBG wrote:$3M for some concrete slopes , some concrete blocks, steps with handrails, a duck pond, and maybe replace a few trees, Is this really worth half a dozen new houses?
No doubt this will take at least a year to build. Any self respecting builder should be able to do this for under $100,000.
There is probably over $100k in concrete in that. And I assume you expect labour for free?

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Re: News & Discussion: Squares and Parklands

#403 Post by Nort » Tue Feb 26, 2019 11:08 pm

EBG wrote:
Tue Feb 26, 2019 4:28 pm
$3M for some concrete slopes , some concrete blocks, steps with handrails, a duck pond, and maybe replace a few trees, Is this really worth half a dozen new houses?
No doubt this will take at least a year to build. Any self respecting builder should be able to do this for under $100,000.
Show your materials and labor breakdown please.

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Re: News & Discussion: Squares and Parklands

#404 Post by Algernon » Thu Feb 28, 2019 11:10 pm

In addition, it'll need powered/water connected facilities like toilets. Also need to integrate draingage, lest you want the new skatepark to be the new swimming pool after a week. 3 million doesn't seem too steep.

My only concern with this is the trees. It'll need a full timer removing leaves/pods/bark etc around the clock, otherwise people are going to be breaking their arms every minute.

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Re: News & Discussion: Squares and Parklands

#405 Post by HeapsGood » Fri Mar 01, 2019 11:06 am

Surprised the Parklands Preservation Society aren't protesting this.
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