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Re: News & Discussion: Regional Transport

#526 Post by rev » Fri Oct 19, 2018 4:59 pm

I guess this fits in this thread as it's not about metro trains..?
Adelaide City Council candidate says they should consider interstate high-speed rail from Victoria Square
Simeon Thomas-Wilson, City Editor, The City
an hour ago
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AN Adelaide City Council candidate for 2018 is saying the council should take a “2040 view” and look at starting the ground work for a high-speed, above ground, interstate rail arriving at Victoria Square.

And there are calls for the council to take back control of the Central Market, as the number of councillors and how much they should be paid also emerges as a differing point between candidates.

At a candidate forum run by the Grote Business Precinct, Central Ward candidate Sam Taylor said the council over the next four years should begin to put in the ground work for the long-term project.

“Taking the 2040 view, it’s inevitable that High Speed Rail (HSR) — whatever the technology — connecting Adelaide with our regions and with other states’ capital cities, will be part of the contemporary transport mix,” he said.

“We need a fast, reliable, safe, and accessible way for people to move around our country, and we need to start planning now.”

Mr Taylor said it would offer up a new form of inclusive travel for people wishing to come to Adelaide, and said his two options for a terminal would be either above Wakefield St or a massive underground complex built beneath Victoria Square — using the Sir Samuel Way building as an entrance and making the square a genuine public park.

said.

It wasn’t the only big idea floated at the forum, Veteran councillor Anne Moran said if she was re-elected she would push for the council to take back control of the Central Market.

Cr Moran — a former chair of the Market when the council ran it — said scrapping the Central Market Authority would be able to give the market traders more representation and more comfort in their leases.

“I’m going to really push to get it back under our umbrella,” she said.

“We have the worst of both worlds now that we have given it up.”

Cr Moran also said the council should get into the childcare business, similar to what the Perth City Council does, and put conditions on office towers going up in the city so the top floor is first offered to be a childcare centre so more mothers could return to work.

Fellow incumbent Houssam Abiad said he would like to see the number of councillors representing the city reduced to eight, and the ward positions scrapped.

“Adelaide is small, you get to engage everyone … eight area councillors that’s the right size and I think it’s the right size for representation,” he said.

Former councillor and Federal Greens Senator Robert Simms said that would reduce the voice of the people while current councillor Sandy Wilkinson said councillors should actually be paid more than the $25,000 a year they currently receive.

“I think we ought to be paid more than other capital cities and I think it’s ridiculous how poorly recompensed we are,” he said.
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Re: News & Discussion: Regional Transport

#527 Post by ml69 » Sat Oct 20, 2018 8:28 am

rev wrote:
Fri Oct 19, 2018 4:59 pm
I guess this fits in this thread as it's not about metro trains..?
Adelaide City Council candidate says they should consider interstate high-speed rail from Victoria Square
Simeon Thomas-Wilson, City Editor, The City
an hour ago
Subscriber only

AN Adelaide City Council candidate for 2018 is saying the council should take a “2040 view” and look at starting the ground work for a high-speed, above ground, interstate rail arriving at Victoria Square.

And there are calls for the council to take back control of the Central Market, as the number of councillors and how much they should be paid also emerges as a differing point between candidates.

At a candidate forum run by the Grote Business Precinct, Central Ward candidate Sam Taylor said the council over the next four years should begin to put in the ground work for the long-term project.

“Taking the 2040 view, it’s inevitable that High Speed Rail (HSR) — whatever the technology — connecting Adelaide with our regions and with other states’ capital cities, will be part of the contemporary transport mix,” he said.

“We need a fast, reliable, safe, and accessible way for people to move around our country, and we need to start planning now.”

Mr Taylor said it would offer up a new form of inclusive travel for people wishing to come to Adelaide, and said his two options for a terminal would be either above Wakefield St or a massive underground complex built beneath Victoria Square — using the Sir Samuel Way building as an entrance and making the square a genuine public park.

said.

It wasn’t the only big idea floated at the forum, Veteran councillor Anne Moran said if she was re-elected she would push for the council to take back control of the Central Market.

Cr Moran — a former chair of the Market when the council ran it — said scrapping the Central Market Authority would be able to give the market traders more representation and more comfort in their leases.

“I’m going to really push to get it back under our umbrella,” she said.

“We have the worst of both worlds now that we have given it up.”

Cr Moran also said the council should get into the childcare business, similar to what the Perth City Council does, and put conditions on office towers going up in the city so the top floor is first offered to be a childcare centre so more mothers could return to work.

Fellow incumbent Houssam Abiad said he would like to see the number of councillors representing the city reduced to eight, and the ward positions scrapped.

“Adelaide is small, you get to engage everyone … eight area councillors that’s the right size and I think it’s the right size for representation,” he said.

Former councillor and Federal Greens Senator Robert Simms said that would reduce the voice of the people while current councillor Sandy Wilkinson said councillors should actually be paid more than the $25,000 a year they currently receive.

“I think we ought to be paid more than other capital cities and I think it’s ridiculous how poorly recompensed we are,” he said.
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Re high-speed rail ... Pie. In. The. Sky.

Vision is one thing. Fantasy is another. This is fantasy.

ACC can do all the research and lobbying it wants ... but it will have zero influence on whether a high-speed rail gets built here.

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Re: News & Discussion: Regional Transport

#528 Post by 1NEEDS2POST » Sun Oct 21, 2018 12:07 am

Adelaide and Melbourne are far enough apart that air transport will always be much faster than high speed rail.

The best thing we can hope for is an improved Overland. Ararat to Melbourne standard gauge conversion, standard gauge into Adelaide Railway Station and tilt trains will make the Overland more attractive.

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Re: News & Discussion: Regional Transport

#529 Post by PeFe » Sun Oct 21, 2018 7:06 am

1NEEDS2POST wrote:
Sun Oct 21, 2018 12:07 am
Adelaide and Melbourne are far enough apart that air transport will always be much faster than high speed rail.

The best thing we can hope for is an improved Overland. Ararat to Melbourne standard gauge conversion, standard gauge into Adelaide Railway Station and tilt trains will make the Overland more attractive.
The Overland is a dead train service, surviving only on state (SA and Vic) handouts.....
At least the Ghan and Ondian Pacific have a raison d'etre......train nuts/spotters willing to pay for the "privelege" of crossing this country by train.

look at starting the ground work for a high-speed, above ground, interstate rail arriving at Victoria Square.
Wow, wow, an above ground train line arriving at Victoria Square !!!! Route suggestions.....how about demolishing the Catholic Cathedral or demolish Kodo.
How can someone in their right mind suggest such drivel......

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Re: News & Discussion: Regional Transport

#530 Post by Goodsy » Sun Oct 21, 2018 10:54 am

1NEEDS2POST wrote:
Sun Oct 21, 2018 12:07 am
Adelaide and Melbourne are far enough apart that air transport will always be much faster than high speed rail.

The best thing we can hope for is an improved Overland. Ararat to Melbourne standard gauge conversion, standard gauge into Adelaide Railway Station and tilt trains will make the Overland more attractive.

If an Adelaide to Melbourne service (Keswick - Southern Cross) could achieve a 250kph average speed that would be roughly 3 hours. Which is comparable to air travel f you factor in the waiting around at each airport and trying to get from Melbourne airport to the CBD

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Re: News & Discussion: Regional Transport

#531 Post by SBD » Sun Oct 21, 2018 8:31 pm

Goodsy wrote:
Sun Oct 21, 2018 10:54 am
1NEEDS2POST wrote:
Sun Oct 21, 2018 12:07 am
Adelaide and Melbourne are far enough apart that air transport will always be much faster than high speed rail.

The best thing we can hope for is an improved Overland. Ararat to Melbourne standard gauge conversion, standard gauge into Adelaide Railway Station and tilt trains will make the Overland more attractive.

If an Adelaide to Melbourne service (Keswick - Southern Cross) could achieve a 250kph average speed that would be roughly 3 hours. Which is comparable to air travel f you factor in the waiting around at each airport and trying to get from Melbourne airport to the CBD
I guess an underground terminal in Victoria Square is not out of the question when you consider it's the end of a tunnel that started at Monarto!

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Re: News & Discussion: Regional Transport

#532 Post by Waewick » Mon Oct 22, 2018 10:29 pm

If the Libs vision (for a lack of a better word
..fantasy maybe?) Of getting all interstate freight rail routed around the city comes to fruition, is there a chance of converting the line to be able to be used for passenger trains? Like up to Mount Lofty?

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Re: News & Discussion: Regional Transport

#533 Post by how good is he » Mon Oct 22, 2018 11:16 pm

Yes fantasy.. add the 24/7 airport at Murray Bridge etc etc how many billions was all this to cost? Was it $5bn?

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Re: News & Discussion: Regional Transport

#534 Post by 1NEEDS2POST » Tue Oct 23, 2018 2:09 am

Waewick wrote:
Mon Oct 22, 2018 10:29 pm
If the Libs vision (for a lack of a better word
..fantasy maybe?) Of getting all interstate freight rail routed around the city comes to fruition, is there a chance of converting the line to be able to be used for passenger trains? Like up to Mount Lofty?
The Adelaide Metro network is broad gauge and it ends at Belair. From there onwards it's only standard gauge. At present, you can run a train from the Adelaide Parklands Terminal to Mount Lofty, but I don't know why you'd want to. If the Adelaide Metro network converts to standard gauge, then yes, trains could run from Adelaide Railway Station to Mount Lofty.

One of the benefits of removing goods trains from the route is the superelevation can be increased, allowing faster speeds.

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Re: News & Discussion: Regional Transport

#535 Post by Waewick » Tue Oct 23, 2018 11:32 am

1NEEDS2POST wrote:
Waewick wrote:
Mon Oct 22, 2018 10:29 pm
If the Libs vision (for a lack of a better word
..fantasy maybe?) Of getting all interstate freight rail routed around the city comes to fruition, is there a chance of converting the line to be able to be used for passenger trains? Like up to Mount Lofty?
The Adelaide Metro network is broad gauge and it ends at Belair. From there onwards it's only standard gauge. At present, you can run a train from the Adelaide Parklands Terminal to Mount Lofty, but I don't know why you'd want to. If the Adelaide Metro network converts to standard gauge, then yes, trains could run from Adelaide Railway Station to Mount Lofty.

One of the benefits of removing goods trains from the route is the superelevation can be increased, allowing faster speeds.
Cheers, i should have said Stirling etc, but i assume the same would apply.

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Re: News & Discussion: Regional Transport

#536 Post by ralmin » Tue Oct 23, 2018 12:29 pm

As a local resident I’d rather the railway line was converted to a path for cycling and running, starting from Belair railway station, with a connection to the Crafers bikeway, and a connection to the Amy Gillett bikeway.

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Re: News & Discussion: Regional Transport

#537 Post by rev » Tue Oct 23, 2018 12:49 pm

how good is he wrote:
Mon Oct 22, 2018 11:16 pm
Yes fantasy.. add the 24/7 airport at Murray Bridge etc etc how many billions was all this to cost? Was it $5bn?
This is the problem with South Australia. Every idea is shot down as fantasy and pie in the sky. It's as if everyone is scared of something changing.

The idea for a new airport for exports/freight might seem crazy, but if Adelaide had it's shit together, and exports were booming and a major driving force behind economic and jobs growth in this state, we would be looking at a new airport out of the metropolitan area, that wouldn't just be for exports/freight, but a new international airport to replace Adelaide International in the middle of suburbia.

Of course, South Australian's tend to be short sighted and lacking in vision and boldness. Too scared of their own shadows.
It's why the other major capitals have progressed and continue to grow and evolve faster and faster, while Adelaide remains stalling between neutral and first gear.
Our political leaders are a reflection of the people, of the prevailing mentality and attitude.

Instead of talking about a new International airport and freight hub, that would help our economic growth, that would create jobs, that would help our industries with exports to the world particularly Asia, we focus on the faults of the Liberals proposal.
Because why should we move the airport right? The people in the southern suburbs would have to travel further, poor them, woe is me. Typical South Australia.
Melbourne's International Airport is nowhere near it's southern or south eastern suburbs. They seem to get by just fine. But hey, this is Adelaide..

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Re: News & Discussion: Regional Transport

#538 Post by Goodsy » Tue Nov 20, 2018 3:10 pm


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Re: News & Discussion: Regional Transport

#539 Post by rubberman » Tue Nov 20, 2018 5:18 pm

rev wrote:
Tue Oct 23, 2018 12:49 pm
how good is he wrote:
Mon Oct 22, 2018 11:16 pm
Yes fantasy.. add the 24/7 airport at Murray Bridge etc etc how many billions was all this to cost? Was it $5bn?
This is the problem with South Australia. Every idea is shot down as fantasy and pie in the sky. It's as if everyone is scared of something changing.

The idea for a new airport for exports/freight might seem crazy, but if Adelaide had it's shit together, and exports were booming and a major driving force behind economic and jobs growth in this state, we would be looking at a new airport out of the metropolitan area, that wouldn't just be for exports/freight, but a new international airport to replace Adelaide International in the middle of suburbia.

Of course, South Australian's tend to be short sighted and lacking in vision and boldness. Too scared of their own shadows.
It's why the other major capitals have progressed and continue to grow and evolve faster and faster, while Adelaide remains stalling between neutral and first gear.
Our political leaders are a reflection of the people, of the prevailing mentality and attitude.

Instead of talking about a new International airport and freight hub, that would help our economic growth, that would create jobs, that would help our industries with exports to the world particularly Asia, we focus on the faults of the Liberals proposal.
Because why should we move the airport right? The people in the southern suburbs would have to travel further, poor them, woe is me. Typical South Australia.
Melbourne's International Airport is nowhere near it's southern or south eastern suburbs. They seem to get by just fine. But hey, this is Adelaide..
Why do we want an airport located further away? If anything, we should be buying up land round the airport for a second runway. What earthly purpose is served by having an airport remote from the biggest area of economic activity?

I am quite happy not having to get up at an ungodly hour to get to the airport, and I cannot imagine tourists would appreciate a longer trip to the CBD. Obviously, if there's an economic case for a second airport for rural exports, fair enough, but if there's $5bn to spend, then a second runway and improved connection to the Freeway is more likely the best bet.

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Re: News & Discussion: Regional Transport

#540 Post by SBD » Tue Nov 20, 2018 6:42 pm

rubberman wrote:
Tue Nov 20, 2018 5:18 pm

Why do we want an airport located further away? If anything, we should be buying up land round the airport for a second runway. What earthly purpose is served by having an airport remote from the biggest area of economic activity?

I am quite happy not having to get up at an ungodly hour to get to the airport, and I cannot imagine tourists would appreciate a longer trip to the CBD. Obviously, if there's an economic case for a second airport for rural exports, fair enough, but if there's $5bn to spend, then a second runway and improved connection to the Freeway is more likely the best bet.
What's the preferred mode of transport for exporting chilled meat (such as might come from Thomas Foods International or Big River Pork at Murray Bridge)? Fresh fruit from the Riverland? Vegetables from the upper south east? Presumably there would also be rail access direct to the freight terminal, so it is possible that air freight from a bit further away might also come by rail, such as from the Treasury Wines huge warehouse by the intermodal depot at Penfield or from Western Victoria.

The Liberal plan did not include passenger flights from the new airport. The purpose is to reduce road freight (and remove that cost) over the Adelaide Hills. It is of course possible that if the airport is established, a low-cost carrier might schedule a few flights, like Avalon between Melbourne and Geelong.

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