News & Discussion: Trams

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Re: News & Discussion: Trams

#4006 Post by how good is he » Mon Feb 11, 2019 2:48 pm

All good points. Do you think if it was just to AO [ie 1km] even with bridge re-enforcement needed could it be done by next Oct? And no need for any new trams?

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Re: News & Discussion: Trams

#4007 Post by rhino » Mon Feb 11, 2019 3:29 pm

rubberman wrote:
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If the City Bridge could take couple H Class trams ....
Adelaide Bridge.
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Re: News & Discussion: Trams

#4008 Post by rubberman » Mon Feb 11, 2019 3:55 pm

how good is he wrote:
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All good points. Do you think if it was just to AO [ie 1km] even with bridge re-enforcement needed could it be done by next Oct? And no need for any new trams?
Depends on whether any detailed design and documentation has been done. That generally takes a year from start to finish. The process of getting something through Cabinet and the Parliamentary Standing Committee on Public Works takes several months, and do does engaging a design consultant. Then they have to do the design in detail. Then they have to call tenders. So, IF the government said "GO!" today, then they might have 8 months. It's doable. However, as the North Terrace extension showed, things go wrong, so if they don't announce it by the end of March, they don’t have a chance.

On the other hand, if the design has been completed, they should do it easy.

All that having been said, I have no real reason to believe any of these rumours. It's up to the government, and they have not shown any interest in trams.

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Re: News & Discussion: Trams

#4009 Post by how good is he » Mon Feb 11, 2019 4:29 pm

I agree with your points but note they want to build the AO hotel within the same time-frame and deadline...

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Re: News & Discussion: Trams

#4010 Post by rubberman » Mon Feb 11, 2019 7:43 pm

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I agree with your points but note they want to build the AO hotel within the same time-frame and deadline...
If the hotel development is privately funded, the approval processes are different, plus it's already past the announcement stage. Any tram extension has yet to be announced, and I'm not sure if it's anything more than a rumour.

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Re: News & Discussion: Trams

#4011 Post by rubberman » Tue Feb 12, 2019 4:47 pm

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Re: News & Discussion: Trams

#4012 Post by Nathan » Tue Feb 12, 2019 5:30 pm

Isn't the left turn from North Tce to KWS only designed for an unloaded tram?

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Re: News & Discussion: Trams

#4013 Post by rubberman » Tue Feb 12, 2019 8:27 pm

Nathan wrote:
Tue Feb 12, 2019 5:30 pm
Isn't the left turn from North Tce to KWS only designed for an unloaded tram?
I think they only meant that they didn't plan on using it for passengers (at the time), rather than any structural limitation.

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Re: News & Discussion: Trams

#4014 Post by Llessur2002 » Wed Feb 13, 2019 8:56 am

In what way does this constitute a city loop? :?

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Re: News & Discussion: Trams

#4015 Post by SBD » Wed Feb 13, 2019 9:20 am

Llessur2002 wrote:
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In what way does this constitute a city loop? :?
There are four trams chasing each other?

What is the closest stop on this loop to the railway station, which would seem to be a key connection point in Mad March?

A full loop takes an hour, with 24 minutes of that stopped at the three terminus points. Later in the evening when the interval drops to 20 minutes instead of 10 or 15, it still takes four trams but the loop is 80 minutes.

If four trams (and their drivers) are committed to the service, what would be wrong with not running to a timetable and just looping as quickly as possible, with a pause if an empty tram gets within 100m of the tram in front? That would seem to offer a better service to customers overall.

Maybe I'm wrong that the City Loop trams reverse at South Terrace, perhaps they continue to Glenelg and are replaced by the next one from Glenelg.

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Re: News & Discussion: Trams

#4016 Post by AndyWelsh » Wed Feb 13, 2019 5:48 pm

Here is an image of the “city loop” from Adelaide Metro

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Re: News & Discussion: Trams

#4017 Post by ChillyPhilly » Wed Feb 13, 2019 7:36 pm

JAKJ wrote:
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With the T20 World Cup in Oct 20 what’s the chances they will announce a tram extension to AO and ready by then?
I recall reading somewhere that extensive re-work of the King William street bridge would be needed to run trams over it due to modern engineering standards and hence why it stopped short of AO in the first place. If this is the case it might take some time and a lot of money to get over that bridge.

Also with the modern low-floor trams I wonder if they will struggle up the hill to O'Connell street given the angle and curve in the road? Hopefully neither of these are real issues as the quicker they can get the extension up to O'Connell street the better.
Those 'modern engineering standards' are an erroneous requirement - this was based on requirements for heavy rail to go across the bridge.
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Re: News & Discussion: Trams

#4018 Post by baytram366 » Thu Feb 14, 2019 9:24 am

re. the "loop", I'm just shocked that the transport department has actually thought ahead for once and basically created a special service for a big event. It doesn't happen that much these days...
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Re: News & Discussion: Trams

#4019 Post by omada » Thu Feb 14, 2019 10:16 am

I'd say if this mad march loop demonstrates strong patronage - it would be a good test case for an extended city loop perhaps.

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Re: News & Discussion: Trams

#4020 Post by adelaide transport » Thu Feb 14, 2019 12:11 pm

The timeble for this service is useless. Trams get a 10 to 18 minute layover at the Federal Centre tram stop and another long stopover at Botanic Garden.
This is not conducive to encouraging people to use thisservice.

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