[APP] 51 Pirie Street | 114m | 28 Levels | Hyatt

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#391 Post by Ben » Mon Aug 05, 2019 9:44 am

It was said to be going at Lot 14 but whether that is still the case I don't know. there hasn't been much released recently about the hotel component.

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#392 Post by Nort » Mon Aug 05, 2019 10:05 am

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Fri Aug 02, 2019 8:18 pm
While I'm happy its happening it seems a strange place for a Hyatt. I have always found Pirie St at nights and weekends empty/dead with nothing much even open..I think North Tce would have been a more appropriate location or even 88 O'Connell St. C&G [with the previous Govt] had a hotel in their proposal for Lot 14 facing the Botanic Garden and ideally a "Hyatt on the Park" there would have been ideal.
Counterpoint: It's close to Victoria Square and Waymouth Street (which is a bit of a restaurant/nightlife spot with works recently done to improve the streetscape) while also being a short walk from the East End. Developments like this on Pirie Street will also bring more life there.

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#393 Post by Champs84 » Mon Aug 05, 2019 10:42 am

Nort wrote:
Mon Aug 05, 2019 10:05 am
how good is he wrote:
Fri Aug 02, 2019 8:18 pm
While I'm happy its happening it seems a strange place for a Hyatt. I have always found Pirie St at nights and weekends empty/dead with nothing much even open..I think North Tce would have been a more appropriate location or even 88 O'Connell St. C&G [with the previous Govt] had a hotel in their proposal for Lot 14 facing the Botanic Garden and ideally a "Hyatt on the Park" there would have been ideal.
Counterpoint: It's close to Victoria Square and Waymouth Street (which is a bit of a restaurant/nightlife spot with works recently done to improve the streetscape) while also being a short walk from the East End. Developments like this on Pirie Street will also bring more life there.
Gouger and the markets are also walkable.

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#394 Post by how good is he » Mon Aug 05, 2019 8:34 pm

Yes but my point was more about it being a Hyatt than the location for a hotel per se. I think the site is fine if it was a mid-tier brand (Sofitel etc etc). Would you agree/concede that the Pirie St location is a big step down for a 5/6 star hotel and from its former site along North Tce & facing the River Torrens?

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#395 Post by Ben » Mon Aug 05, 2019 8:41 pm

Sofitel is about as upmarket as you can get and they back onto the alleys of hindley street. I imagine the decisions are made from overseas/interstate and they look at how close everything is on a map.

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#396 Post by Patrick_27 » Wed Aug 07, 2019 2:37 pm

Ben wrote:
Mon Aug 05, 2019 9:44 am
It was said to be going at Lot 14 but whether that is still the case I don't know. there hasn't been much released recently about the hotel component.

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Marriot at Lot 14 was a Labor proposal, this building will now be used by the Defence Industries.

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#397 Post by Ben » Tue Nov 19, 2019 9:34 am

I was looking through the application for this and it was originally going to be 139.4m high but has been reduced down. There is however an amendment to the original proposal about to be submitted. Im unsure what it is as yet.
However, with regard to the PANS-OPS contours available from Adelaide Airport, the
contour level is at 184.4 metres AHD. The potential is to build up to a height of 139.4
metres. However, the overall height has been reduced to 113.8 metres maximum. A
reduction of 25.6m overall from previous design reiterations.

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#398 Post by [Shuz] » Wed Nov 20, 2019 4:42 pm

Why did they decide to reduce the height?
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#399 Post by Ben » Fri Nov 22, 2019 8:50 am

I'm not sure why to be honest but from reading it looked difficult to construct at that height with crane limitations.

The amendment is in. Hopefully its not a dumbing down of the external cladding.
Variation to 020/A016/19. Variation: Ground floor reconfiguration, reconfiguration of mezzanine level, removal of a level of car parking, relocation of plant levels, design changes to architectural cladding, and alterations to the public realm.

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#400 Post by [Shuz] » Fri Nov 22, 2019 11:02 am

Can get an RTCC crane breach for 3 months? Seems like a poor excuse.
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#401 Post by Tranny1990 » Fri Nov 22, 2019 11:50 am

Hopefully the amendment reverts back to keeping the old State Bank Building!

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#402 Post by Brando » Fri Nov 22, 2019 4:40 pm

Ben wrote:
Fri Nov 22, 2019 8:50 am
I'm not sure why to be honest but from reading it looked difficult to construct at that height with crane limitations.

The amendment is in. Hopefully its not a dumbing down of the external cladding.
Variation to 020/A016/19. Variation: Ground floor reconfiguration, reconfiguration of mezzanine level, removal of a level of car parking, relocation of plant levels, design changes to architectural cladding, and alterations to the public realm.
Cladding issues may be due to Grenfell fire in UK. I know the findings locally were handed down recently.

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#403 Post by Ho Really » Fri Nov 22, 2019 10:36 pm

[Shuz] wrote:
Fri Nov 22, 2019 11:02 am
Ben wrote:
Fri Nov 22, 2019 8:50 am
I'm not sure why to be honest but from reading it looked difficult to construct at that height with crane limitations.
Can get an RTCC crane breach for 3 months? Seems like a poor excuse.
Probably because they'll use a Favco all the way. A hammerhead would have less room to move with surrounding buildings. Perhaps at 90 metres they could have swapped from a Favco to a hammerhead and gone to full height of 139.4 metres plus 3 month's crane breach. Who knows.

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#404 Post by rev » Sat Nov 23, 2019 8:25 pm

This is what, the second or third time now we're hearing about issues with cranes and pan-ops in recent developments?
How come other cities don't appear to have issues with tall buildings going up and the cranes used? or is it simply because we haven't had any significantly tall buildings (in Adelaide terms) go up in a long time that we aren't used to these issues?

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#405 Post by SBD » Sat Nov 23, 2019 10:38 pm

rev wrote:
Sat Nov 23, 2019 8:25 pm
This is what, the second or third time now we're hearing about issues with cranes and pan-ops in recent developments?
How come other cities don't appear to have issues with tall buildings going up and the cranes used? or is it simply because we haven't had any significantly tall buildings (in Adelaide terms) go up in a long time that we aren't used to these issues?
Possibly it's part of the "curse" of only having a fifteen-minute taxi ride from the airport to a city hotel. Moving the airport to the outer suburbs might solve this problem, but would it be worth it?

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