[U/C] Festival Plaza Redevelopment | $800 million

All high-rise, low-rise and street developments in the Adelaide and North Adelaide areas.
Message
Author
User avatar
SRW
Donating Member
Donating Member
Posts: 2461
Joined: Fri Jun 08, 2007 9:42 pm
Location: City
Has thanked: 566 times
Been thanked: 261 times

[U/C] Re: Festival Plaza Redevelopment | $800 million

#796 Post by SRW » Wed Aug 14, 2019 10:28 am

Pants wrote:
Wed Aug 14, 2019 10:09 am
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't Walker responsible for developing the tower, car park and retail and the government responsible for the open plaza areas?

Could the landscaping in the new tower/retail render just be generic, even though in the past the render has included the plaza designs we've seen previously?
They're cofunding but I'm not sure who's project managing (Renewal SA, maybe?). Either way, I suspect you're right. The plaza design (or at least masterplan?) was awarded to ARM Architecture/TCL, so this is probably just a marketing image not an actual indication of final look.
Keep Adelaide Weird

obituary resider
Gold-Member ;)
Posts: 97
Joined: Fri Dec 13, 2013 10:33 pm
Has thanked: 6 times
Been thanked: 14 times

[U/C] Re: Festival Plaza Redevelopment | $800 million

#797 Post by obituary resider » Wed Aug 14, 2019 9:18 pm

SRW wrote:
Wed Aug 14, 2019 10:28 am
Pants wrote:
Wed Aug 14, 2019 10:09 am
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't Walker responsible for developing the tower, car park and retail and the government responsible for the open plaza areas?

Could the landscaping in the new tower/retail render just be generic, even though in the past the render has included the plaza designs we've seen previously?
They're cofunding but I'm not sure who's project managing (Renewal SA, maybe?). Either way, I suspect you're right. The plaza design (or at least masterplan?) was awarded to ARM Architecture/TCL, so this is probably just a marketing image not an actual indication of final look.
It is correct that concept design was undertaken by A-R-M / TCL but the detailed design phase is being undertaken by Aspect / Architectus. If they have gone to the effort to include a different design in a marketing image then I suspect what it shows will be close to what is currently planned (I believe they are about 75% detailed design).

My guess would be they have had to take significant cost saving measures. Pretty common place but you would hope for a location as prominent like this, the government would stump up.

Nort
Legendary Member!
Posts: 1125
Joined: Tue Feb 09, 2010 2:08 pm
Has thanked: 230 times
Been thanked: 144 times

[U/C] Re: Festival Plaza Redevelopment | $800 million

#798 Post by Nort » Thu Aug 15, 2019 2:38 pm

obituary resider wrote:
Wed Aug 14, 2019 9:18 pm
SRW wrote:
Wed Aug 14, 2019 10:28 am
Pants wrote:
Wed Aug 14, 2019 10:09 am
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't Walker responsible for developing the tower, car park and retail and the government responsible for the open plaza areas?

Could the landscaping in the new tower/retail render just be generic, even though in the past the render has included the plaza designs we've seen previously?
They're cofunding but I'm not sure who's project managing (Renewal SA, maybe?). Either way, I suspect you're right. The plaza design (or at least masterplan?) was awarded to ARM Architecture/TCL, so this is probably just a marketing image not an actual indication of final look.
It is correct that concept design was undertaken by A-R-M / TCL but the detailed design phase is being undertaken by Aspect / Architectus. If they have gone to the effort to include a different design in a marketing image then I suspect what it shows will be close to what is currently planned (I believe they are about 75% detailed design).

My guess would be they have had to take significant cost saving measures. Pretty common place but you would hope for a location as prominent like this, the government would stump up.
Given his desire for a second tower, I suspect that render of the current plans has been made to have his building look as good as possible, with a very plain plaza so he can point and go "Oh gee whiz, if only the site was more profitable I could spend more on that part..."

Stryker
Sen-Rookie-Sational
Posts: 48
Joined: Tue Apr 03, 2018 1:04 pm
Has thanked: 47 times
Been thanked: 74 times

[U/C] Re: Festival Plaza Redevelopment | $800 million

#799 Post by Stryker » Fri Aug 23, 2019 11:16 am

That’s a one big hole in the ground! I’m struggling to see how the car park’s going to be ready in time for the new Casino opening though?

Image

Ben
VIP Member
VIP Member
Posts: 6760
Joined: Mon Dec 19, 2005 11:46 am
Location: Adelaide
Has thanked: 276 times
Been thanked: 1110 times

[U/C] Re: Festival Plaza Redevelopment | $800 million

#800 Post by Ben » Fri Aug 23, 2019 11:21 am

Surely tower cranes will be needed for the construction part.

User avatar
Pikey
VIP Member
VIP Member
Posts: 2254
Joined: Wed Jul 13, 2005 7:41 am
Location: Sitting Down
Has thanked: 129 times
Been thanked: 343 times

[U/C] Re: Festival Plaza Redevelopment | $800 million

#801 Post by Pikey » Fri Aug 23, 2019 12:09 pm

Ben wrote:
Fri Aug 23, 2019 11:21 am
Surely tower cranes will be needed for the construction part.
I seem to recall five being mentioned. It's a bloody huge site!!!
Walking on over....

| Sensational-Adelaide.com Moderator |

rev
Super Size Scraper Poster!
Posts: 3998
Joined: Sat Nov 11, 2006 12:14 pm
Has thanked: 280 times
Been thanked: 408 times

[U/C] Re: Festival Plaza Redevelopment | $800 million

#802 Post by rev » Sat Aug 24, 2019 10:47 am

That picture gives a good idea of the slope of King William road.

SBD
Legendary Member!
Posts: 1125
Joined: Thu Apr 03, 2014 3:49 pm
Location: Blakeview
Has thanked: 360 times
Been thanked: 84 times

[U/C] Re: Festival Plaza Redevelopment | $800 million

#803 Post by SBD » Sun Aug 25, 2019 3:39 pm

Pikey wrote:
Fri Aug 23, 2019 12:09 pm
Ben wrote:
Fri Aug 23, 2019 11:21 am
Surely tower cranes will be needed for the construction part.
I seem to recall five being mentioned. It's a bloody huge site!!!
How tall is the car park and plaza supposed to be? Tower cranes might not be needed if the site can just be driven in to at every level.

EBG
Super Size Scraper Poster!
Posts: 2139
Joined: Fri Jul 12, 2013 10:49 pm
Has thanked: 713 times
Been thanked: 1352 times

[U/C] Re: Festival Plaza Redevelopment | $800 million

#804 Post by EBG » Sun Aug 25, 2019 10:46 pm

you would have to have temporary ramps to drive to each level so I think they would use tower cranes with at least 5 as shown by X. However 2 of the cranes could remain and be used to work on the office tower.(click on picture for bigger).
Attachments
db24ab29061ce4af6fa554fa03c7af84.jpg

User avatar
Ho Really
Super Size Scraper Poster!
Posts: 2276
Joined: Sun Aug 27, 2006 3:29 pm
Location: In your head
Has thanked: 825 times
Been thanked: 90 times

[U/C] Re: Festival Plaza Redevelopment | $800 million

#805 Post by Ho Really » Mon Aug 26, 2019 11:12 am

Anyone take a guess how deep this dig is at its deepest point (top right corner on King William Road)?

Cheers
Confucius say: Dumb man climb tree to get cherry, wise man spread limbs.

nath91
Gold-Member ;)
Posts: 56
Joined: Sat Jun 28, 2014 12:34 pm
Has thanked: 4 times
Been thanked: 15 times

[U/C] Re: Festival Plaza Redevelopment | $800 million

#806 Post by nath91 » Mon Aug 26, 2019 12:41 pm

An iconic design should be mandatory for this Tower once it goes ahead.

Check out this development underway in South Yarra. This style would be perfect, complimenting the Skycity development, adding that needed height and a shiny new beacon to front the postcard shot/'front face' of the CBD.
Attachments
capitol-grand-257-toorak-road-south-yarra-414ea5535fb1cfc9d53f23ca11dc40e3.jpg

User avatar
SRW
Donating Member
Donating Member
Posts: 2461
Joined: Fri Jun 08, 2007 9:42 pm
Location: City
Has thanked: 566 times
Been thanked: 261 times

[U/C] Re: Festival Plaza Redevelopment | $800 million

#807 Post by SRW » Mon Aug 26, 2019 12:53 pm

The current design has already been signed off, and Walker's comments over the years have revealed a rather antipathetic view of Adelaide as a backwater that doesn't require the effort. It would seem change depends on either the government's heavy hand or the market's invisible one -- that is, a renegotiation of whatever backroom conditions were agreed or a lessee who demands something better to sign on.
Keep Adelaide Weird

EBG
Super Size Scraper Poster!
Posts: 2139
Joined: Fri Jul 12, 2013 10:49 pm
Has thanked: 713 times
Been thanked: 1352 times

[U/C] Re: Festival Plaza Redevelopment | $800 million

#808 Post by EBG » Mon Aug 26, 2019 11:54 pm

I would guess the hole to be about 13.5m.any one else want to guess?

Patrick_27
Super Size Scraper Poster!
Posts: 1737
Joined: Tue Mar 05, 2013 4:41 pm
Location: Adelaide CBD, SA
Been thanked: 216 times

[U/C] Re: Festival Plaza Redevelopment | $800 million

#809 Post by Patrick_27 » Tue Aug 27, 2019 1:52 am

nath91 wrote:
Mon Aug 26, 2019 12:41 pm
An iconic design should be mandatory for this Tower once it goes ahead.

Check out this development underway in South Yarra. This style would be perfect, complimenting the Skycity development, adding that needed height and a shiny new beacon to front the postcard shot/'front face' of the CBD.
Yes, this is a great build in South Yarra but this kind of design would in no way compliment the surrounding heritage elements of Festival Plaza.

nath91
Gold-Member ;)
Posts: 56
Joined: Sat Jun 28, 2014 12:34 pm
Has thanked: 4 times
Been thanked: 15 times

[U/C] Re: Festival Plaza Redevelopment | $800 million

#810 Post by nath91 » Tue Aug 27, 2019 10:27 am

Does the Sky City development compliment the heritage elements of Festival Plaza?

Post Reply

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: Dvious, Google [Bot] and 5 guests