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Re: News & Discussion: Cycling

#376 Post by ChillyPhilly » Wed Oct 30, 2019 10:37 pm

The Dry Creek railyards have prevented from the Gawler Line Greenway from ever being complete.
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Re: News & Discussion: Cycling

#377 Post by SBD » Wed Oct 30, 2019 11:36 pm

ChillyPhilly wrote:
Wed Oct 30, 2019 10:37 pm
The Dry Creek railyards have prevented from the Gawler Line Greenway from ever being complete.
The indicative map at https://www.dpti.sa.gov.au/infrastructu ... r_greenway seems to have it cross the railway at Pym Street then use Harrison Rd, Naweena Rd, Gallipoli Drive. That seems to be the plan as of October 2014 (reading the image metadata). Not much has changed in five years when the major parties can share the blame evenly. The page was updated in July 2018, before the Jack Bobridge Track became the Barossa Trail. "Works to complete the remaining sections of the Greenway are not planned at this time."

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Re: News & Discussion: Cycling

#378 Post by dbl96 » Mon Nov 11, 2019 11:24 am

First the right-turn for the tram, then the railway to Port Adelaide, now this. It's interesting that Minister Knoll has been "discovering" so many "unforseen cost blowouts". It's also interesting that none of them relate to road projects.
Bridge at Goodwood railway station for cyclists put ‘on hold’ following cost blowout
OCTOBER 29, 2019

A long-promised bridge over the Goodwood railway station to improve safety for cyclists has been put “on hold indefinitely” after its cost blew out to $28 million.

Public Transport Minister Stephan Knoll said the project, which would have connected the Mike Turtur Bikeway from Railway Tce North, in Goodwood, and Norman Tce, in Forestville,

had nearly tripled in cost from its initial estimate of $10 million.

“Following detailed planning work it was revealed the project would cost nearly three times the original estimation,” Mr Knoll said.

“As a responsible State Government we will now reassess the priority of this project and value to South Australian taxpayers before deciding whether to proceed.”

The former Labor government promised the bridge in 2016 and said it would be completed before the end of 2017.

Mr Knoll’s comments come after documents obtained under freedom of information, sighted by The Messenger, suggested the cost blow out.

Cyclists currently either have to walk through a subway under the station or detour through the level crossing at Victoria St.

Unley Mayor Michael Hewitson said the government’s decision was “frustrating”.

“(The bridge) would be a natural addition,” Mr Hewitson said.

“It would draw even greater numbers of people on bikes, taking them off our roads.”Unley Bicycle User Group chairwoman Jennifer Bonham was disappointed with the announcement.

“We need to be making decisions for the long-term future of transport in Adelaide,” Dr Bonham said.

“The cost of the Goodwood Station upgrade pales against the billions of dollars spent on the various north-south corridor projects.

“Upgrading Goodwood station will help this (bike) network function with much greater safety and efficiency.”

She said the current option for cyclists at the crossing was similar to “asking motorists to get out of their vehicles and push them through a tricky or dangerous intersection”.

Badcoe state Labor MP Jayne Stinson said it was disappointing news.

“This is a project our community was looking forward to and it’s only through an FOI that the Minister has been forced to confess to local people that he’s keen to axe this important community infrastructure,” Ms Stinson said.

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Re: News & Discussion: Cycling

#379 Post by Bacon » Mon Nov 11, 2019 12:30 pm

SBD wrote:
Wed Oct 30, 2019 11:36 pm
ChillyPhilly wrote:
Wed Oct 30, 2019 10:37 pm
The Dry Creek railyards have prevented from the Gawler Line Greenway from ever being complete.
The indicative map at https://www.dpti.sa.gov.au/infrastructu ... r_greenway seems to have it cross the railway at Pym Street then use Harrison Rd, Naweena Rd, Gallipoli Drive. That seems to be the plan as of October 2014 (reading the image metadata). Not much has changed in five years when the major parties can share the blame evenly. The page was updated in July 2018, before the Jack Bobridge Track became the Barossa Trail. "Works to complete the remaining sections of the Greenway are not planned at this time."
This section is actually nearing completion as we speak, crosses over at Islington station, underneath Regency, follows Naweena and Gallipoli, underneath Grand junction and comes out at Cormack Rd. ride a bit up Magazine road and you either turn left for the future Norther Connector path or turn right at Henschke to head towards Mawson Lakes.

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Re: News & Discussion: Cycling

#380 Post by SBD » Wed Nov 13, 2019 7:55 am

Bacon wrote:
Mon Nov 11, 2019 12:30 pm
SBD wrote:
Wed Oct 30, 2019 11:36 pm
ChillyPhilly wrote:
Wed Oct 30, 2019 10:37 pm
The Dry Creek railyards have prevented from the Gawler Line Greenway from ever being complete.
The indicative map at https://www.dpti.sa.gov.au/infrastructu ... r_greenway seems to have it cross the railway at Pym Street then use Harrison Rd, Naweena Rd, Gallipoli Drive. That seems to be the plan as of October 2014 (reading the image metadata). Not much has changed in five years when the major parties can share the blame evenly. The page was updated in July 2018, before the Jack Bobridge Track became the Barossa Trail. "Works to complete the remaining sections of the Greenway are not planned at this time."
This section is actually nearing completion as we speak, crosses over at Islington station, underneath Regency, follows Naweena and Gallipoli, underneath Grand junction and comes out at Cormack Rd. ride a bit up Magazine road and you either turn left for the future Norther Connector path or turn right at Henschke to head towards Mawson Lakes.
It's good that it is gradually creeping north, and perhaps it will service a few more schools and shops in that area (I don't know the area well). It might become an option for commuters riding from Mawson Lakes and Gawler to Adelaide.

The problem I would like the Gawler Greenway to address is the much shorter link between the suburban areas of Adelaide (Blakeview/Munno Para and nearby suburbs) and Gawler (Evanston South/Evanston Gardens and the Gawler bike paths). Several MPs have told me over the last four or five elections (state and federal) that no extra paths are needed to bridge this gap because the Gawler Greeenway is planned to go near the railway line.

There are a lot of schools east of the railway and Main North Road, including Trinity College main campus at Evanston South and a cluster of schools at Blakeview. Cycling options across the gap are Main North Road (no bike lane), Coventry Road (west of the railway line, rural, no sealed shoulders or bike lanes), Gawler-One Tree Hill Road (up a steep hill each end, also rural and no shoulders) or all the way west to the bikeway near the Northern Expressway (further west than the total distance intended to be travelled, but has a shared path along Curtis Road completed a year or two ago).

Coventry Road is close to Mark Oliphant College, which also has relatively quiet roads to connect it to Munno Para railway station. Another link east of Main North Road near the Barossa Pipeline and Bentley Road (which is unmade through the gap) would complement rather than compete with Stuart O'Grady bikeway and Gawler Greenway.

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Re: News & Discussion: Cycling

#381 Post by gnrc_louis » Fri Feb 21, 2020 1:55 pm


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Re: News & Discussion: Cycling

#382 Post by Nathan » Fri Feb 21, 2020 2:25 pm

0.6% of road funding is utterly pathetic. And the fact that they are still debating about what road the E-W route should be on, despite it being blatantly clear in a 3 year old report, is almost as embarrassing as the fact we're well into the third term of council since the N-S route began and it's still not even half done.
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Re: News & Discussion: Cycling

#383 Post by SRW » Fri Feb 21, 2020 2:56 pm

Interesting that the Aurecon report calls for the government to show leadership on deprioritising private vehicles (to create space for other city users) when low-key their intentions for the process are to actually water down the same ambitions from the previous Smart Move Strategy.
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Re: News & Discussion: Cycling

#384 Post by madelaide » Fri Feb 21, 2020 2:58 pm

gnrc_louis wrote:
Fri Feb 21, 2020 1:55 pm
No surprises I guess: https://indaily.com.au/news/local/2020/ ... n-cycling/
SA Gov and City Council are a Tour de Farce.

Adelaide is best known Internationally for festivals and the cycling race... Cut funding to both, quick! Shitting at the top of the hill is much quicker than pushing it up from the bottom.

Don't know what my last comment meant, but I sure as hell am not retracting it.

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Re: News & Discussion: Cycling

#385 Post by Nathan » Mon Feb 24, 2020 9:15 pm

Following on from the InDaily article, The Advertiser has taken a much more sensationalist approach and focused on the number of car parks that would be lost — not on the route that both the last report and the relevant cycling bodies prefer (Flinders/Franklin) — but the one a few idiot councillors are obsessed with (Pirie/Waymouth), probably knowing the opposition such an impact on parking will provoke and thereby killing off the project altogether.
Almost 400 parks would be wiped out for city bike track
https://www.adelaidenow.com.au/messenge ... 2a392c6268

Almost 400 car and motorbike parks would be lost on Pirie and Waymouth streets in the CBD to create a controversial bikeway, under designs before Adelaide City Council.

The council will on Tuesday night also consider a report that says on-street carparks should gradually be removed in favour of spaces for bicycles, because of the economic benefit of attracting more cyclists.

A separated, east-west bikeway along Pirie and Waymouth streets would come at the cost of 336 car spaces and 63 motorbike bays, under a design favoured by consultants who say narrowing footpaths or making traffic one-way are not “feasible” or “advisable” options.

The council would also lose about $750,000 a year in paid parking revenue.

Deputy Lord Mayor Alex Hyde told The Advertiser the design was “outrageous” and would seriously “hurt the local economy”.

“It is going to mean people can’t get to where they need to go easily, it will mean businesses can’t take shipment for couriers and all sorts,” he said. “Adelaide is a driving city, most people drive, we cannot be disadvantaging the majority of people to service only a few.”

The $5.5 million bikeway, originally planned for the much wider Flinders and Franklin streets, has been in the pipeline since July 2016.

Last April, the council decided to look into whether Waymouth and Pirie streets would be a better option, despite a 2017 study finding they would be too narrow.

Bicycle Institute of SA chairwoman Katie Gilfillan said her group favoured Flinders and Franklin streets, and the project’s delay was putting cyclists’ safety at risk.

“Carparking ... is far from an issue, so I would just be hoping that the councillors are in a position where they are able to make the best evidence-based decision,” Ms Gilfillan said.

The council will also consider a staff report that says incrementally reducing on-st carparking to make way for more bicycle bays “makes economic sense”.

Bicycle SA chief executive Christian Haag, pictured, welcomed the suggestion, saying it would make city parking “more equitable”.

The report argues that, despite each cyclist not spending as much as each motorist when they visit the CBD, one carpark can be replaced with multiple bicycle spaces.

That means if cyclists were finding it hard to find places to park and more could be attracted with on-street spaces, it would equate to a revenue boost for businesses.

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Re: News & Discussion: Cycling

#386 Post by ChillyPhilly » Mon Feb 24, 2020 11:17 pm

The Facebook comments section on the post for The Advertiser's article above is full of clueless people.
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Re: News & Discussion: Cycling

#387 Post by Nathan » Mon Feb 24, 2020 11:27 pm

ChillyPhilly wrote:
Mon Feb 24, 2020 11:17 pm
The Facebook comments section on the post for The Advertiser's article above is full of clueless people.
Yup. Read the headline, and suckered right in. Mission accomplished.

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Re: News & Discussion: Cycling

#388 Post by Nathan » Tue Feb 25, 2020 2:36 pm

Report: We recommend Flinders/Franklin as the preferred option
Councillors: What about Wakefield/Grote?
Report: We still recommend Flinders/Franklin as the preferred option
Councillors: What about Pirie/Waymouth?
Report: We still recommend Flinders/Franklin as the preferred option
Councillors: What about Wakefield/Grote?

I wonder who on Flinders/Franklin these councillors are scared of pissing off?
More city council back-pedalling on east-west bikeway
https://indaily.com.au/news/local/2020/ ... t-bikeway/

Deputy Lord Mayor Alexander Hyde has called on the Adelaide City Council to build its long-delayed east-west bikeway along Grote and Wakefield streets – despite the council canning the idea three years ago due to the potential impacts on bus stops and cyclist safety.

Since 2016, the council has stalled on choosing a route for the $5 million State Government and council-funded east-west bikeway, which is now not likely to be completed until next year at the earliest.

A new report released by the council yesterday afternoon states that building a separated bikeway along Pirie and Waymouth streets could come at a cost of 336 car parking spaces and 63 motorbike bays – meaning the council could lose about $750,000 each year in revenue.

The route is one of three east-west options considered by the council in recent years.

Hyde, who has previously expressed support for building the bikeway along Pirie and Waymouth streets, told InDaily this morning the option was now “clearly not going to work”.

He said he would ask the council to instead reconsider building a bikeway along Grote and Wakefield streets, a route discarded by the council in 2017 when Flinders and Franklin streets were endorsed as the preferred option.

“The overall effect on businesses (along Pirie and Waymouth Streets) is questionable – what does it mean if you can’t park on the street?” he said.

“I think you’d find that during the day those car parks are pretty much full… so that’s what concerns me the most I guess.

“I’ve already been fielding calls about concerned businesses and property owners about it.”

Hyde said Grote and Wakefield streets “could provide an alternative that doesn’t need to scrap any car parks or lanes of traffic”.

He said the route could also increase cyclist access to the Central Market and the soon-to-be-redeveloped Central Market Arcade.

“The corridor is currently shared by cars, buses and bikes but it definitely has the space to accommodate all user groups and could do with an upgrade anyway,” he said.

“If you look at the Grote and Wakefield option… the footpath is quite underutilised and I think if (the bikeway) did touch the kerb line you could have enough space to keep angle parking and everything else.”

A report published by the council in 2017 stated several factors made Flinders-Franklin a better route than Grote-Wakefield.

It said Grote and Wakefield streets feature 20 bus stops which would need to be reconstructed to accommodate a separated bikeway, about double the motor vehicle traffic, complex truck loading arrangements at the Central Market that would be “difficult to integrate with the bikeway”, less adjacent development potential and fewer workers in bordering buildings.

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Hyde said he had read the 2017 report, but he dismissed the potential impacts on cyclist safety and bus infrastructure.

“All these modes of transport need to work in unison and to be honest, I think it’s a cop-out if we’re going to say we’re only going to prioritise one mode of transport down a particular street at a particular time,” he said.

“If it’s separated it’s separated – unless you’ve got a truck driving over the hedge, over the kerb and on to a bike lane, they’re not going to hit anyone.”

The 2017 council report stated Flinders-Franklin was the preferred route as the streets were already popular with cyclists, featured no bus stops and had the potential for widened footpaths and more street trees.

But Hyde dismissed the route as a viable option, saying he had been contacted by “dozens” of concerned business owners and residents along Flinders and Franklin Streets who had told him they would be financially impacted by the potential loss of car parking.

“I just want to make the point that we are actually playing with people’s livelihoods here, so we can’t afford to make the wrong decision because of the implications on the entirety of the street,” Hyde said.

“If people say they are going to be severely impacted by a loss of car parking then we need to take that into full consideration.”

But area councillor Robert Simms accused Hyde of attempting to delay progress on the east-west bikeway.

“Grote Street was discredited early on so we can’t go down that path again,” he said.

“I have no doubt, if administration goes back to look at the Grote Street option, councillor Hyde will be critical of that too.

“I’m happy to go back to the original Flinders-Franklin plan but a third investigation is just not an option.

“I fear we also risk losing State Government funding for the east-west bikeway if we don’t take action soon.

“That would be humiliating for the council and fly in the face of everything we are doing to reduce carbon emissions.”

Councillors will discuss the Pirie-Waymouth bikeway report tonight, but no decisions will be made.

The council will also debate a separate city access strategy report, which states South Australia spends the least amount on cycling infrastructure in the country, but Adelaide’s CBD has the most and cheapest car parking of any capital city.

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Re: News & Discussion: Cycling

#389 Post by noted » Tue Feb 25, 2020 5:33 pm

Did anyone hear about this story over the new year?

https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/osl ... 53qmz.html

Adelaide and Oslo obviously have their own unique aspects, but they really aren't that different either. The greater metropolitan areas have similar populations and Oslo has a far lower population density compared to other European capitals making it much more similar to Adelaide in this respect as well.

Shows what can happen when adopt a strategy and stick to it even if it does piss off a few people along the way.

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Re: News & Discussion: Cycling

#390 Post by SRW » Tue Feb 25, 2020 9:29 pm

The proffer of yet another street than that which is recommended is such an obvious red herring by Hyde and his faction. They don't want it on any street. If they win this fight, watch them suggest ripping up Frome in a few years time.
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