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Re: Petrol Station Owners

#31 Post by ghs » Mon Dec 02, 2019 5:04 pm

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As bits said, they're not really "petrol stations" any more. Both are becoming more convenience stores, including fast food, along with other car related services like the big car washes. Petrol is less of a focus than it was previously.
Fuel would make up about 80 percent of the income for a petrol station. Most people don't buy food and drink at a petty station coz
it's expensive. At some point over the next 10 years we should also see de - regulated shopping hours which will also hurt the industry.

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Re: Petrol Station Owners

#32 Post by Nathan » Mon Dec 02, 2019 5:20 pm

ghs wrote:
Mon Dec 02, 2019 5:04 pm
Nathan wrote:
Mon Dec 02, 2019 4:20 pm
As bits said, they're not really "petrol stations" any more. Both are becoming more convenience stores, including fast food, along with other car related services like the big car washes. Petrol is less of a focus than it was previously.
Fuel would make up about 80 percent of the income for a petrol station*. Most people don't buy food and drink at a petty station coz
it's expensive*. At some point over the next 10 years we should also see de - regulated shopping hours which will also hurt the industry.
* Citation needed.

OTR even have stand alone stores that don't even sell petrol.

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Re: Petrol Station Owners

#33 Post by ghs » Mon Dec 02, 2019 5:26 pm

Nathan wrote:
Mon Dec 02, 2019 5:20 pm
OTR even have stand alone stores that don't even sell petrol.
They had one of these stores on Anzac highway and they're now converting it to a petty station. If it was
such a good business as a standalone store then why are they converting it ?

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Re: Petrol Station Owners

#34 Post by cmet » Mon Dec 02, 2019 7:35 pm

ghs wrote:
Nathan wrote:
Mon Dec 02, 2019 4:20 pm
As bits said, they're not really "petrol stations" any more. Both are becoming more convenience stores, including fast food, along with other car related services like the big car washes. Petrol is less of a focus than it was previously.
Fuel would make up about 80 percent of the income for a petrol station. Most people don't buy food and drink at a petty station coz
it's expensive. At some point over the next 10 years we should also see de - regulated shopping hours which will also hurt the industry.
Income and PROFIT are two very different things. There is very very little margin with fuel, the same can not be said with the stuff they sell inside the stores. OTR and smart Petrol/convenience stores will find a way to bring people inside. Whether that’s by their current methods like carwashes, dog washes, air pumps or some other new idea who knows.

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Re: Petrol Station Owners

#35 Post by SBD » Mon Dec 02, 2019 11:48 pm

cmet wrote:
Mon Dec 02, 2019 7:35 pm
ghs wrote:
Nathan wrote:
Mon Dec 02, 2019 4:20 pm
As bits said, they're not really "petrol stations" any more. Both are becoming more convenience stores, including fast food, along with other car related services like the big car washes. Petrol is less of a focus than it was previously.
Fuel would make up about 80 percent of the income for a petrol station. Most people don't buy food and drink at a petty station coz
it's expensive. At some point over the next 10 years we should also see de - regulated shopping hours which will also hurt the industry.
Income and PROFIT are two very different things. There is very very little margin with fuel, the same can not be said with the stuff they sell inside the stores. OTR and smart Petrol/convenience stores will find a way to bring people inside. Whether that’s by their current methods like carwashes, dog washes, air pumps or some other new idea who knows.
Between home and work (20 minutes drive, by any of several routes), I think there are a total of four OTR, one Coles Express, one Caltex/Woolworths and one Liberty petrol stations. The smallest OTR and the other three brands have a few grocery and motoring-related items. All of the OTRs sell coffee and cake/pies and pasties. The three larger ones have other branded outlets and a larger range of convenience groceries. I believe that Peregrine holds the master franchise (for SA) for most of the brands that are found in OTR - Brumby's, Oporto, C Coffee, Subway (I think there are several master franchises), Wok in a Box, car and dog wash, Krispy Kreme, Smokemart. The sites are all configured differently and have different mixes of franchise outlets that appear to be tailored to the environment and customer base. If petrol stops needing as much real estate, I expect they will find something else to do with some of the space next time the site gets rebuilt.

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Re: Petrol Station Owners

#36 Post by rev » Tue Dec 03, 2019 5:13 am

ghs wrote:
Mon Dec 02, 2019 5:04 pm
Nathan wrote:
Mon Dec 02, 2019 4:20 pm
As bits said, they're not really "petrol stations" any more. Both are becoming more convenience stores, including fast food, along with other car related services like the big car washes. Petrol is less of a focus than it was previously.
Fuel would make up about 80 percent of the income for a petrol station. Most people don't buy food and drink at a petty station coz
it's expensive. At some point over the next 10 years we should also see de - regulated shopping hours which will also hurt the industry.
Lol. Got any facts to back up your claim it makes up 80%?
Or just more classic ghs dribbling shit..

You obviously don't comprehend why the concept of a petrol station, convenience store, minimart, and fast food offerings rolled into one have been a success.

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Re: Petrol Station Owners

#37 Post by bits » Tue Dec 03, 2019 9:14 am

They are a convenience store where one of the products is fuel. Fuel is also a point of difference draw card to bring people to the store.

If fuel goes away they will just sell the next thing.
These companies have shown they are willing to adapt to sell any service they think a customer would pay them for.

De-regulation of trading hours will take some of their trade but Coles and Woolworths are not selling the same kind of products in store.
Drakes and Foodlands actually have far more ready made food for sale in their stores than Coles and Woolworths.

All these SA companies are excelling in selling convenience rather than fighting Costco, Kaufland, Aldi, Coles and Woolworths to sell basic products at the lowest possible price.
The SA companies do not have the scale to compete with the bulk buying and logistics of those bigger companies. They are finding a market in selling convenience. You do this by rapidly evolving and adapting to customers faster than the giant companies can.

Of course that small scale convenience was previously owned by even smaller SA companies that have now been pushed out. Markets consolidating in to a smaller amount of players is an ever ongoing thing.

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Re: Petrol Station Owners

#38 Post by SBD » Tue Dec 03, 2019 5:00 pm

bits wrote:
Tue Dec 03, 2019 9:14 am
They are a convenience store where one of the products is fuel. Fuel is also a point of difference draw card to bring people to the store.

If fuel goes away they will just sell the next thing.
These companies have shown they are willing to adapt to sell any service they think a customer would pay them for.

De-regulation of trading hours will take some of their trade but Coles and Woolworths are not selling the same kind of products in store.
Drakes and Foodlands actually have far more ready made food for sale in their stores than Coles and Woolworths.

All these SA companies are excelling in selling convenience rather than fighting Costco, Kaufland, Aldi, Coles and Woolworths to sell basic products at the lowest possible price.
The SA companies do not have the scale to compete with the bulk buying and logistics of those bigger companies. They are finding a market in selling convenience. You do this by rapidly evolving and adapting to customers faster than the giant companies can.

Of course that small scale convenience was previously owned by even smaller SA companies that have now been pushed out. Markets consolidating in to a smaller amount of players is an ever ongoing thing.
Drakes (until recently a Foodland franchisee), Romeo's, Chapley's (both still Foodland franchisees), OTR, AM/PM, X Convenience were once smaller SA companies. They have grown rather than be eaten by the bigger fish.

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Re: Petrol Station Owners

#39 Post by ghs » Wed Dec 04, 2019 9:45 am

bits wrote:
Tue Dec 03, 2019 9:14 am
If fuel goes away they will just sell the next thing.
The next big thing is electricity where you charge your car at home for a few hours.

How do they sell that at a fuel station lol ?

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Re: Petrol Station Owners

#40 Post by SBD » Wed Dec 04, 2019 10:33 am

ghs wrote:
Wed Dec 04, 2019 9:45 am
bits wrote:
Tue Dec 03, 2019 9:14 am
If fuel goes away they will just sell the next thing.
The next big thing is electricity where you charge your car at home for a few hours.

How do they sell that at a fuel station lol ?
That is true for those vehicles being used for commuting and for daily trade work. It will still be a fairly long time before most or all vehicles are electric. There are still 20-year-old cars on the roads, so even if no new liquid fuel cars or trucks were sold from right now, it would be over 20 years before there would be no need for fuel stations. I still buy fuel for my petrol lawnmower and line trimmer sometimes, too. Maybe we'll go back to the days of buying it pre-packed in drums rather than bulk.

Some fuel stations service long-distance travel. If I'm driving 800km in a day, I probably want at least one stop in the middle, so there will still be some demand for "fuel stops" even with electric cars, although it will be much lower and the demand points might be different.

We've talked about the mix of revenue and profit from fuel against other convenience items in these shops. I wonder what the mix is between local and passing through at various places. Blanchetown BP always looks a lot busier than seems reasonable for the town population, for example. Same for several stops in Tailem Bend. It's harder to tell for stations near larger centres or in the suburbs.

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Re: Petrol Station Owners

#41 Post by bits » Wed Dec 04, 2019 11:26 am

When I said the next thing I did not mean the next thing that fuels vehicles.
I meant whatever is sellable goods or service.
As cigarettes are phased out Smokemarts did not solely depend on e-cigarettes, they moved more in to the gift market.

As car fuel is phased out they might move in to accounting services or selling travel insurance.
What they sell is up to these companies to sort out but convenience stores selling varied things is not a new idea. General stores selling fuel is common in many small towns.

OTR appears to be very flexible and open to finding and taking on new products.

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Re: Petrol Station Owners

#42 Post by Nathan » Wed Dec 04, 2019 11:30 am

bits wrote:
Wed Dec 04, 2019 11:26 am
As cigarettes are phased out Smokemarts did not solely depend on e-cigarettes, they moved more in to the gift market.
That said, I've always wondered about who the fuck buys gifts from a smoke shop, or even worse, the weird gift section that all chemists seem to have. Obviously people do, or they wouldn't sell them, but... why?

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Re: Petrol Station Owners

#43 Post by bits » Wed Dec 04, 2019 12:08 pm


Nathan wrote: That said, I've always wondered about who the fuck buys gifts from a smoke shop, or even worse, the weird gift section that all chemists seem to have. Obviously people do, or they wouldn't sell them, but... why?
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Re: Petrol Station Owners

#44 Post by rev » Wed Dec 04, 2019 2:30 pm

SBD wrote:
Tue Dec 03, 2019 5:00 pm
Drakes (until recently a Foodland franchisee), Romeo's, Chapley's (both still Foodland franchisees), OTR, AM/PM, X Convenience were once smaller SA companies. They have grown rather than be eaten by the bigger fish.
I wonder if someone as 'culturally sensitive' as ghs shops at Chapleys.

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Re: Petrol Station Owners

#45 Post by how good is he » Fri Dec 06, 2019 12:21 am

In the ‘tiser, Aldi’s are trying to get approval to sell their own brand alcohol in SA. It says for supermarkets in Australia only SA and Qld don’t allow alcohol to be sold. Do you think this will change? If so, could service stations be next? Are they allowed to do so in any other state?
Imagine 24/7 bottle shop/servos!

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