Federal election 2022

[A-Town]

The way things are shaping up, with the constant attacks on the PM, him being painted a bully and someone others can't work with, warning members not to back another bloke in pre-election, the election is Labors to lose IMHO.

Meanwhile, Albo is being criticised for not taking bullying allegations within his party seriously after the death of Kimberley Kitching.

This is false equivalence. There's a qualitative difference in that there are multiple, detailed and continuing accusations against Scott Morrison himself.

Refusing to do anything about bullying makes you no better than a bully. In fact, you only allow the appalling behaviour to continue to fester. Albo comes across as a coward too afraid to stand up to Labor's bullies.

[gnrc_louis]

This is false equivalence. There's a qualitative difference in that there are multiple, detailed and continuing accusations against Scott Morrison himself.

Exactly. What people are (willfully, perhaps) also missing, is that Kitching herself was a factional warrior. Factional warriors - in both parties, have the primary role of keeping their faction in line, as well as acts of bastardy against the other faction/s. Yes - it's a fairly nasty business, but it's also entrenched and commonplace, as well as being an internally accepted way of keeping political parties cohesive. Ironically, in itself an act of factional bastardy, one faction is weaponising her death - primarily to score points against the opposing faction.

Her husband - who would have no interest in political point scoring - was pretty scathing about the bullying that Kitching endured by her Labor colleagues. Penny Wong taking aim at Kitching being childless as a reason for Kitching supposedly not caring about climate change is a cheap shot by a high-ranking Labor politician. There would no doubt have been a lot more bullying directed at her that hasn't made the public eye... yet.

You mean the same husband heavily involved in ALP politics and known for his ratfucking? Jesus, a simple Google search and read of his Wikipedia page will tell you the man's LONG history of involvement in internal ALP politics. Yes, definitely "no interest in political point scoring."

Again, there might be more "bullying" directed at her that hasn't yet surfaced but she undoubtedly would've done plenty of her own "bullying" too. As in my previous post which you evidently ignored or are being purposely obtuse to - that's the nature of internal party politics and the role that factional players like Kitching play. Yes - it's unpleasant, but it's quite different from the bullying that would generally be associated with the word.

[gnrc_louis]

Meanwhile, Albo is being criticised for not taking bullying allegations within his party seriously after the death of Kimberley Kitching.

This is false equivalence. There's a qualitative difference in that there are multiple, detailed and continuing accusations against Scott Morrison himself.

Refusing to do anything about bullying makes you no better than a bully. In fact, you only allow the appalling behaviour to continue to fester. Albo comes across as a coward too afraid to stand up to Labor's bullies.

What should Albanese do? Hold an inquiry into the factions and how they behave with one another? You seem to fail to understand that this all broadly stems from an internal factional dispute - not dissimilar to the one we are currently seeing within the NSW Liberal Party. You're looking at this through the lens of purely bullying, when there's more complex factional issues at play, which are the primary driver behind all of this story. Guy Rundle has written some good stories about the factions of late, including this one: https://www.crikey.com.au/2022/03/22/ki ... wife-more/. This sort of factional brutality is nothing new, except in this instance, unfortunately a death has corresponded with it.

[SRW]

This is false equivalence. There's a qualitative difference in that there are multiple, detailed and continuing accusations against Scott Morrison himself.

Exactly. What people are (willfully, perhaps) also missing, is that Kitching herself was a factional warrior. Factional warriors - in both parties, have the primary role of keeping their faction in line, as well as acts of bastardy against the other faction/s. Yes - it's a fairly nasty business, but it's also entrenched and commonplace, as well as being an internally accepted way of keeping political parties cohesive. Ironically, in itself an act of factional bastardy, one faction is weaponising her death - primarily to score points against the opposing faction.

Her husband - who would have no interest in political point scoring - was pretty scathing about the bullying that Kitching endured by her Labor colleagues. Penny Wong taking aim at Kitching being childless as a reason for Kitching supposedly not caring about climate change is a cheap shot by a high-ranking Labor politician. There would no doubt have been a lot more bullying directed at her that hasn't made the public eye... yet.

This response indicates that you’re either out of your depth or interested only in politicking, in which case I’d point out that your efforts on a niche Internet forum are wasted.

[A-Town]

This is false equivalence. There's a qualitative difference in that there are multiple, detailed and continuing accusations against Scott Morrison himself.

Refusing to do anything about bullying makes you no better than a bully. In fact, you only allow the appalling behaviour to continue to fester. Albo comes across as a coward too afraid to stand up to Labor's bullies.

What should Albanese do? Hold an inquiry into the factions and how they behave with one another? You seem to fail to understand that this all broadly stems from an internal factional dispute - not dissimilar to the one we are currently seeing within the NSW Liberal Party. You're looking at this through the lens of purely bullying, when there's more complex factional issues at play, which are the primary driver behind all of this story. Guy Rundle has written some good stories about the factions of late, including this one: https://www.crikey.com.au/2022/03/22/ki ... wife-more/. This sort of factional brutality is nothing new, except in this instance, unfortunately a death has corresponded with it.

It's a form of workplace bullying. Like it or not, Albo has a responsibility to do his best to stamp it out. What kind of example and precedent does it set if he ignores it? Factional brutality is nothing new, yes, but what good is it doing to anyone, Labor or Liberal, if we just carry on with the status quo? If Albo stood up to Labor's bullies, he'd be doing himself and his party a huge favour.

[A-Town]

Exactly. What people are (willfully, perhaps) also missing, is that Kitching herself was a factional warrior. Factional warriors - in both parties, have the primary role of keeping their faction in line, as well as acts of bastardy against the other faction/s. Yes - it's a fairly nasty business, but it's also entrenched and commonplace, as well as being an internally accepted way of keeping political parties cohesive. Ironically, in itself an act of factional bastardy, one faction is weaponising her death - primarily to score points against the opposing faction.

Her husband - who would have no interest in political point scoring - was pretty scathing about the bullying that Kitching endured by her Labor colleagues. Penny Wong taking aim at Kitching being childless as a reason for Kitching supposedly not caring about climate change is a cheap shot by a high-ranking Labor politician. There would no doubt have been a lot more bullying directed at her that hasn't made the public eye... yet.

You mean the same husband heavily involved in ALP politics and known for his ratfucking? Jesus, a simple Google search and read of his Wikipedia page will tell you the man's LONG history of involvement in internal ALP politics. Yes, definitely "no interest in political point scoring."

Again, there might be more "bullying" directed at her that hasn't yet surfaced but she undoubtedly would've done plenty of her own "bullying" too. As in my previous post which you evidently ignored or are being purposely obtuse to - that's the nature of internal party politics and the role that factional players like Kitching play. Yes - it's unpleasant, but it's quite different from the bullying that would generally be associated with the word.

It's a little concerning that you're so willing to dismiss workplace bullying simply because it's 'the nature of internal party politics'. That doesn't make it okay. Albo had an opportunity to show the country his true leadership credentials by ousting Labor's bullies, but he cowered away. Disappointing, as it's been a long time since this country had a strong and competent leader.

[gnrc_louis]

Her husband - who would have no interest in political point scoring - was pretty scathing about the bullying that Kitching endured by her Labor colleagues. Penny Wong taking aim at Kitching being childless as a reason for Kitching supposedly not caring about climate change is a cheap shot by a high-ranking Labor politician. There would no doubt have been a lot more bullying directed at her that hasn't made the public eye... yet.

You mean the same husband heavily involved in ALP politics and known for his ratfucking? Jesus, a simple Google search and read of his Wikipedia page will tell you the man's LONG history of involvement in internal ALP politics. Yes, definitely "no interest in political point scoring."

Again, there might be more "bullying" directed at her that hasn't yet surfaced but she undoubtedly would've done plenty of her own "bullying" too. As in my previous post which you evidently ignored or are being purposely obtuse to - that's the nature of internal party politics and the role that factional players like Kitching play. Yes - it's unpleasant, but it's quite different from the bullying that would generally be associated with the word.

It's a little concerning that you're so willing to dismiss workplace bullying simply because it's 'the nature of internal party politics'. That doesn't make it okay. Albo had an opportunity to show the country his true leadership credentials by ousting Labor's bullies, but he cowered away. Disappointing, as it's been a long time since this country had a strong and competent leader.

You’re evidently not understanding the point I’m making and don’t seem to understand internal party politics more broadly. You’ve also not addressed any of the points I made and as such I won’t bother to engage any further. Take care

[A-Town]

You mean the same husband heavily involved in ALP politics and known for his ratfucking? Jesus, a simple Google search and read of his Wikipedia page will tell you the man's LONG history of involvement in internal ALP politics. Yes, definitely "no interest in political point scoring."

Again, there might be more "bullying" directed at her that hasn't yet surfaced but she undoubtedly would've done plenty of her own "bullying" too. As in my previous post which you evidently ignored or are being purposely obtuse to - that's the nature of internal party politics and the role that factional players like Kitching play. Yes - it's unpleasant, but it's quite different from the bullying that would generally be associated with the word.

It's a little concerning that you're so willing to dismiss workplace bullying simply because it's 'the nature of internal party politics'. That doesn't make it okay. Albo had an opportunity to show the country his true leadership credentials by ousting Labor's bullies, but he cowered away. Disappointing, as it's been a long time since this country had a strong and competent leader.

You’re evidently not understanding the point I’m making and don’t seem to understand internal party politics more broadly. You’ve also not addressed any of the points I made and as such I won’t bother to engage any further. Take care

The only point you made was that internal party politics is different as should be treated as such. We all know it can be brutal and backstabbing seems to be second nature to ego-driven pollies. But why should that make them untouchable, and why should we not push for their actions to change when it comes to bullying? Canberra has long been a cesspit of dirtbag politicians who've gotten away with much more than the common person ever would. Stamping out such behaviour takes real leadership, and unfortunately Albo in this instance has miserably failed.

[Nort]

A-Town do you have some knowledge about what is happening inside Labor in response to this, or are you sharing in the view that they should be publicly flagellating themselves and making more news about discussion of their bullying responses while the PM gets away with much less attention for much worse?

[SRW]

A-Town do you have some knowledge about what is happening inside Labor in response to this, or are you sharing in the view that they should be publicly flagellating themselves and making more news about discussion of their bullying responses while the PM gets away with much less attention for much worse?

Given they either didn't know who Andrew Landeryou is or conveniently overlooked that context, I think you can safely assume the latter to be their goal. But again, odd choice to prosecute it on Sensational-Adelaide Dot Com given it's not exactly a large audience of swinging voters.

[rubberman]

A-Town do you have some knowledge about what is happening inside Labor in response to this, or are you sharing in the view that they should be publicly flagellating themselves and making more news about discussion of their bullying responses while the PM gets away with much less attention for much worse?

Given they either didn't know who Andrew Landeryou is or conveniently overlooked that context, I think you can safely assume the latter to be their goal. But again, odd choice to prosecute it on Sensational-Adelaide Dot Com given it's not exactly a large audience of swinging voters.

From a political perspective, if I look at people here, lots are interested in public transport and decent development. So, is it that there are few swinging voters here, OR that there's no alternative to swing to?

Are people "rusted on", or is there just a scarcity of reasonable alternatives? If you believe the polls (ha) there's a lot of people who have swung since the last election.

[SRW]

A-Town do you have some knowledge about what is happening inside Labor in response to this, or are you sharing in the view that they should be publicly flagellating themselves and making more news about discussion of their bullying responses while the PM gets away with much less attention for much worse?

Given they either didn't know who Andrew Landeryou is or conveniently overlooked that context, I think you can safely assume the latter to be their goal. But again, odd choice to prosecute it on Sensational-Adelaide Dot Com given it's not exactly a large audience of swinging voters.

From a political perspective, if I look at people here, lots are interested in public transport and decent development. So, is it that there are few swinging voters here, OR that there's no alternative to swing to?

Are people "rusted on", or is there just a scarcity of reasonable alternatives? If you believe the polls (ha) there's a lot of people who have swung since the last election.

Polls that have previously taken place on this forum would indicate that most users are fairly settled in their views, but the larger point is there are too few voters here of any persuasion to make a meaningful impact on the campaign at large. So we can do without incorrigible partisans waging victoryless battles of the sort that clog up other platforms.

[SBD]

Over the last term or so, there have been a number of complaints, reports of bad workplace behaviour, and a recognition that the employment conditions meant that the staff had nowhere to report and there was nobody with the authority to address workplace issues. There have been attempts to fix this for people like Brittany Higgins. The alleged behaviour relating to Penny Wong and Scott Morrison is more of the same, at the highest levels.

Someone recently said a fish rots from the head. I'm not sure what the reverse turn of phrase is, but a good workplace culture also needs to be modelled and enforced from the top. These high-profile people need to be exemplary models of the behaviour they want to see in their parties, their parliamentary offices and their departments. We (the voters) want to see people we can admire as role models, instead of looking to our football stars.

[rev]

Maybe our shitty politicians and their even shittier behaviour is just a sad and honest reflection our of society.

[HiTouch]

Maybe our shitty politicians and their even shittier behaviour is just a sad and honest reflection our of society.

We're not that bad are we?