http://delimiter.com.au/2013/12/12/plea ... -turnbull/I was wrong to have faith in Malcolm Turnbull and the Coalition on this issue. You were all right, and I was wrong. Turnbull does indeed appear to be attempting to “demolish” the NBN.
...Turnbull .. explained how they would construct less of the NBN even than the Coalition promised in April. Those areas currently “served” (as laughable as that term is to many who live there) by the HFC cable footprint, it now appears, will get no upgrade at all. Many will doubtless still be on ADSL2+ when the Coalition’s “NBN” is completed.
Turnbull’s cost projection promises, his rollout speed promises, his technology choice promises; even his promises that the NBN Co Strategic Review would not be run by consultants; virtually all of his promises about the NBN were this morning flagrantly broken, and there were no answers to so many of the questions which the non-subservient elements of the media (those of us that are left) have about the NBN.
We cannot call this a “National Broadband Network” any more. That term is fundamentally redundant, when around 28 percent of Australian premises will not receive the infrastructure, and most of the rest will receive a watered down version highly dependent on Telstra’s copper network, which, as NBN Co’s internal reports show, has a plethora of issues. To do so would be farcical, as this morning’s entire press conference was farcical.
Read the rest here:Almost one in three Australian premises will miss out on pure fibre internet connections under the Coalition’s new NBN policy.
The strategic review, announced today, effectively cancels the NBN rollout for almost a third of the country, with those in areas already served by hybrid fibre-coaxial (HFC) networks receiving upgrades to that network but no new fibre-optic connections.
HFC networks carry data for cable TV signals as well as voice calling and internet data, and according to the review approximately 2.7m premises are already passed by Telstra and Optus’s networks, with another 700,000 premises within the geographic area.
HFC connections can struggle to deliver high speeds consistently for users at busy periods, because they become congested as more people log on.
How much extra was Labor's FTTP going to cost and how much longer was that going to take to roll out ?Dog wrote:
I believe we were promised by the Libs a 25 megabit/ second NBN to the home by 2016 before the election
Apparently now after the election this "highly unachievable" by 2016 as promised and will cost us $12bn more.
Now $41bn and we will still be up for $5bn a year to maintain the copper and that's with out Telstra charging us to use it.
And to speed thing up they will be laying staff off at NBN co! Go figure?
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I only had 5 minutes to read the exec summary. I'll come back to the entire report later, but I suspect the costs of copper maintenance is hidden under one of those black censor bars.rubberman wrote:PS the Telstra copper maintenance cost might be there, but given the size of it, you'd think they would say so.
The AgeA third of Australia will be left to rot on struggling cable broadband networks after the Coalition further downscaled the national fibre network.
Just build it wrote:Bye Union Hall. I'll see you in another life, when we are both cats.
The Libs have clearly broken their 2016 25mbps commitment from Opposition, but what Labor left us with broadband after 6-years in office was a vision that under their administration became a financial disaster.rubberman wrote:By my reading of the report on p 100 Doc, the Coalition plan will not be complete till 2030...much later than the FTTP.
The Coalition plan ignores UPLOAD speeds...effectively making many applications unworkable.
The FTTP option is five billion more by 2030. However, the maintenance of the Telstra copper is running at one billion per year, and when you factor that in......the Coalition plan appears to be much more expensive, much slower to roll out, and inferior in quality.
The deliberate non-mentioning of the Telstra copper or upload speeds is outright dishonesty.
So, in summary: We have a broken promise which will deliver an inferior product for greater cost over a larger time scale at a time when due to the collapse of the car industry we should be looking at providing opportunities for hi tech substitutes for that industry. Wow.
PS the Telstra copper maintenance cost might be there, but given the size of it, you'd think they would say so.
I agree that neither side can cover themselves in glory, but which one of these is the sin?drsmith wrote:...Clearly, neither side can cover themselves in glory here, but Labor's sin is worse in my view. Their vision certainly had appeal and arguably merit, but their delivery was a failure.
What you're effectively saying is that the political sins of one side are excusable whereas the other is not. That would be OK if both sides didn't have to operate in the same overall political environment and money was no object.monotonehell wrote: I agree that neither side can cover themselves in glory, but which one of these is the sin?
1. Attempting to do something nation-building, being somewhat incompetent, hitting hurdles, not achieving goals, going over budget, but still moving forward.
2. Putting forward a plan that is not technically feasible, lying through your arse about outcomes of said plan, fudging the figures so said plan looks okay, conspiring with your mates in other organisations to betray the taxpayer, constantly moving the goalposts, going back on promises, continuing to lie about merits of said plan despite all the evidence to the contrary, ordering a review and promising to release the findings but blacking out the important bits about buying copper and HTC networks from entities who are about to scrap them, and blacking out the bits about ongoing maintenance costs.
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