2018 South Australian State Election

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Who will receive your first preference vote in the 2018 State Election?

Poll ended at Sat Mar 17, 2018 9:28 am

Labor
36
73%
Liberal
5
10%
SA Best
2
4%
Greens
1
2%
Nationals
0
No votes
Conservatives
2
4%
Dignity
2
4%
One Nation
0
No votes
Independent
0
No votes
Other
1
2%
 
Total votes: 49

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Re: 2018 South Australian State Election

#316 Post by citywatcher » Sun Mar 18, 2018 4:03 pm

I think the fact it is so close speaks volumes
Her days are numbered

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Re: 2018 South Australian State Election

#317 Post by Waewick » Sun Mar 18, 2018 4:29 pm

On twitter Sanderson is now behind.

It is kind of ironic that a wealthy business person is going to dethrone her though.

Just goes to show the political stereotypes aren't always accurate.

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Re: 2018 South Australian State Election

#318 Post by rev » Sun Mar 18, 2018 5:25 pm

Norman wrote:
Sun Mar 18, 2018 3:57 pm
At this stage, 2PP is still 50.2 - 49.8. There is still hope.
Not really.
Weatherill has conceded, and resigned.

At the very least, I hope(we should probably all go and pray, even if you're not religious, or do some sort of sacrifice or ritual somewhere to something), that the Libs at the absolute minimum, continue the north south corridor.

I think we can forget any tram development for the next four years.
I'd be very surprised if the rest of the train network got electrified, although I wouldn't put it past the Federal Liberal government chipping in the money they took away to give their state buddies a win/boost when they inevitably need it at some stage during their term in office.


Politicians make me fucking sick.
If I was Premier(I know, how funny would that be), I'd be pushing ahead with infrastructure and other things that need to be done or changed or introduced, not as a matter of convenience for winning an election, but well within my term.
But hey, that's just me.

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Re: 2018 South Australian State Election

#319 Post by Alyx » Sun Mar 18, 2018 5:27 pm

rev wrote:
Sun Mar 18, 2018 5:25 pm
Norman wrote:
Sun Mar 18, 2018 3:57 pm
At this stage, 2PP is still 50.2 - 49.8. There is still hope.
Not really.
Weatherill has conceded, and resigned.
Norman was referring to Rachel Sanderson's seat of Adelaide:

https://results.ecsa.sa.gov.au/dr?id=801

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Re: 2018 South Australian State Election

#320 Post by HiTouch » Sun Mar 18, 2018 6:07 pm

There were a lot of reasons to vote for the Liberals. Steven Marshall is a lot stronger and a genuine leader than people realise. People who think he is weak are people who watch too many TV ads with Nick Xenophon and Jumping Jay.

The reality is that with the state of the liberal party 4 years ago (ie. going through leaders like me and a pack of corn cakes), Steven Marshall knew he wasn’t going to win 2014’s election as the populace saw the Liberals as divided, so his sole intent was to win the popular vote, start the momentum and prepare for 2018.
Labor were always going to lose this election with their scandals over 4 years (some scandals date back a year or 2 further but all add up). The general populace don’t seem to forget the dramas with Finnigan, Families SA, The Aged Care scandal, etc. No matter how many times Jay apologises, people still see it as a negative abusive experience.
In other words, the majority of people would rather a government that didn’t physically abuse them over a government with a “clear vision” :roll:
In a more extreme example, China’s Great Leap Forward had a “clear vision” but look how that turned out.
Last edited by HiTouch on Sun Mar 18, 2018 6:09 pm, edited 1 time in total.
rev wrote:
Tue Jan 29, 2019 12:55 am
If the parklands are so important why dont they put it to a vote state wide? Or are they afraid the majority will back this hotel..

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Re: 2018 South Australian State Election

#321 Post by rev » Sun Mar 18, 2018 6:09 pm

Ah ok, my bad.
Retiring state MPs receive annual pensions of more than $100,000

FORMER Labor MP Michael Atkinson’s farewell gift from taxpayers after 30 years in Parliament is a six-figure pension.

The one-time Justice Minister, Attorney-General and House of Assembly Speaker is a member of an exclusive parliamentary pension scheme which closed to new members in 1995.

Last week, he said he believed his pension would be “closer to $100,000 than $200,000”. Mr Atkinson’s partner, Jennifer Rankine, is also retiring from Parliament and will be entitled to a pension of at least $140,000.

The 14 MPs who voluntarily retired at the election also include former Liberal leaders Martin Hamilton-Smith and Isobel Redmond and former Health Minister Jack Snelling.

The retiring MPs will receive annual pensions worth more $1.6 million combined.

The scheme Mr Atkinson is covered by delivers annual pensions that can be worth up to 75 per cent of the salary members earned in their six highest-paid years.

Mr Atkinson, who was first elected in 1989, earned about $330,000 a year when he was Speaker.

Former MPs elected between 1995 and 2006 will be eligible for pensions of 41.2 per cent of the current $191,000 base salary, plus 0.2 per cent of that salary for every full month of service after six years.

A supplement will be added for those that served as a minister, Opposition Leader or committee chairperson.

Former Health Minister Leesa Vlahos was elected in 2010 after the second parliamentary pension scheme was closed to put politicians on the same footing as other workers. MPs currently receive 15.4 per cent super contributions.

Mr Atkinson last week said his proudest achievement in Parliament had been carrying out Labor’s criminal justice program, which had contributed to a major reduction in crime. He said he would miss Question Time.

Mr Atkinson will soon be a grandfather for the first time and said he was looking froward to gardening, attending country horse race meetings and “fishing before the Greens ban it’’.

As she packed up her office, Ms Redmond said she was looking forward to life after politics.

“You couldn’t wipe the smile off my face,’’ she said.

“It’s a great privilege to leave at a time of my own choosing because many people don’t have that opportunity.”

Ms Redmond said she intended to remain in the workforce, get fit, spend more time with her grandchildren, travel and revegetate a 4 hectare property she owns in Walker Flat, on the River Murray.

“I’m not about to sit in a rocking chair and wait to die or something,’’ she said.

Despite having earned the ire of his former party, Mr Hamilton-Smith said he had no regrets about quitting the Liberals after the 2014 election and accepting a post in the Weatherill Labor cabinet.

Mr Hamilton-Smith said serving as Defence Industries Minister had enabled him to play a role in the state wining the Future Submarines project.

“Your rewards are few in opposition,” he said. “In government you can actually help to make people’s lives at little bit better.”

After 24 years in the army, followed by 21 years in Parliament, Mr Hamilton-Smith said he intended to look for a new job. He was also looking forward to spending more time with his family, including his 13-year-old son.

While the former MPs can look forward to their retirement benefits, Australia's old age pensioners will receive a modest $6 per week increase. The age pension will this week increase from $814 a fortnight to $826 for singles, or from $894 to $907 with supplements.
Retired pollies’ annual pension

Michael Atkinson (Labor, Croydon)

Elected 1989

Minister 2002-2010, Speaker 2013-2018

$200,000 (He thinks it will be less)

Paul Caica (Labor, Colton)

Elected 2002

Minister 2006-2012

$125,000

Gail Gago (Labor MLC)

Elected 2002

Minister 2008-2016

$125,000

John Gazzola (Labor MLC)

Elected 2002

$125,000

Mark Goldsworthy (Liberal, Kavel)

Elected 2002

Opposition Whip 2012-2013

$125,000

Martin Hamilton-Smith (independent, Waite)

Elected 1997

Minister 2001-2002, 2014-2018

Liberal Opposition Leader 2007-2009

$140,000

Steps Key (Labor, Badcoe)

Elected 1997

Minister 2002-2006

$140,000

Isobel Redmond (Liberal, Heyson)

Elected 2002

Opposition Leader 2009-2013

$125,000

Jennifer Rankine (Labor, Wright)

Elected 1997

Minister 2006-2015

$140,000

Jack Snelling (Labor, Playford)

Elected 1997

Deputy Speaker 2005-2006

Speaker 2006-2010

Minister 2010-2017

$140,000

Mitch Williams (Liberal, Mackillop)

Elected 1997

Deputy Opposition Leader 2010-2012

Opposition Whip 2012

$140,000

Leesa Vlahos (Labor, Taylor)

Elected 2010

Elected after pensions schemes were abolished. Received 15.4 per cent super instead.

* Estimates. Doesn’t include loadings for senior members such as ministers, the Speaker and committee chairpeople
http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/sa-e ... 8fc5af05c9
This is disgusting. Even the 15.4% super for those elected after 2010, is still disgusting.
They are there to serve the people, after being elected by the people. They are not there to profit and benefit on the blood sweat and tears of the people.
Politicians salaries should be cut to whatever the average salary is, and rise and fall in line with it. Same super contributions as the rest of society, and same pension as the rest of us. Maybe then we will get honest politicians? I probably have more chance of winning $40 million in the Powerball.

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Re: 2018 South Australian State Election

#322 Post by rev » Sun Mar 18, 2018 6:33 pm

HiTouch wrote:
Sun Mar 18, 2018 6:07 pm
There were a lot of reasons to vote for the Liberals. Steven Marshall is a lot stronger and a genuine leader than people realise. People who think he is weak are people who watch too many TV ads with Nick Xenophon and Jumping Jay.

The reality is that with the state of the liberal party 4 years ago (ie. going through leaders like me and a pack of corn cakes), Steven Marshall knew he wasn’t going to win 2014’s election as the populace saw the Liberals as divided, so his sole intent was to win the popular vote, start the momentum and prepare for 2018.
Labor were always going to lose this election with their scandals over 4 years (some scandals date back a year or 2 further but all add up). The general populace don’t seem to forget the dramas with Finnigan, Families SA, The Aged Care scandal, etc. No matter how many times Jay apologises, people still see it as a negative abusive experience.
In other words, the majority of people would rather a government that didn’t physically abuse them over a government with a “clear vision” :roll:
In a more extreme example, China’s Great Leap Forward had a “clear vision” but look how that turned out.
If any of that were true, re the scandals, Labor would have been wiped out at the polling booths. But they weren't.

So tell us what's the "clear vision" Steven Marshall and the Liberal party have for South Australia?


I'll tell you why they won...because people fell for the "we need change" bs.
And maybe we do need change, but what's the change? What's it going to cost us now that we have had "change"?
I can't see them investing in growing the tram network let alone the trains. Then again, the Liberal coalition government in NSW revived the Sydney Metro plan when they got elected and has invested massively in that PT project...

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Re: 2018 South Australian State Election

#323 Post by Brucetiki » Sun Mar 18, 2018 6:52 pm

Norman wrote:
Sun Mar 18, 2018 11:50 am
Potentially the best news out of the election could be Rachel Sanderson losing the seat of Adelaide. If it happens it will be such a positive for the future of the city. I have seen her in person at an East End meeting, and she does nothing but complain and use her friends to derail meetings held by Renewal SA.
Truly horrible person. You only have to look at how she got the people of Gilberton/Walkerville in a tizz when it looked like they'd be moved to Torrens.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-09-22/a ... et/7868082

Hope Chapley extends her lead.

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Re: 2018 South Australian State Election

#324 Post by Waewick » Sun Mar 18, 2018 7:09 pm

rev wrote:Ah ok, my bad.
Retiring state MPs receive annual pensions of more than $100,000

FORMER Labor MP Michael Atkinson’s farewell gift from taxpayers after 30 years in Parliament is a six-figure pension.

The one-time Justice Minister, Attorney-General and House of Assembly Speaker is a member of an exclusive parliamentary pension scheme which closed to new members in 1995.

Last week, he said he believed his pension would be “closer to $100,000 than $200,000”. Mr Atkinson’s partner, Jennifer Rankine, is also retiring from Parliament and will be entitled to a pension of at least $140,000.

The 14 MPs who voluntarily retired at the election also include former Liberal leaders Martin Hamilton-Smith and Isobel Redmond and former Health Minister Jack Snelling.

The retiring MPs will receive annual pensions worth more $1.6 million combined.

The scheme Mr Atkinson is covered by delivers annual pensions that can be worth up to 75 per cent of the salary members earned in their six highest-paid years.

Mr Atkinson, who was first elected in 1989, earned about $330,000 a year when he was Speaker.

Former MPs elected between 1995 and 2006 will be eligible for pensions of 41.2 per cent of the current $191,000 base salary, plus 0.2 per cent of that salary for every full month of service after six years.

A supplement will be added for those that served as a minister, Opposition Leader or committee chairperson.

Former Health Minister Leesa Vlahos was elected in 2010 after the second parliamentary pension scheme was closed to put politicians on the same footing as other workers. MPs currently receive 15.4 per cent super contributions.

Mr Atkinson last week said his proudest achievement in Parliament had been carrying out Labor’s criminal justice program, which had contributed to a major reduction in crime. He said he would miss Question Time.

Mr Atkinson will soon be a grandfather for the first time and said he was looking froward to gardening, attending country horse race meetings and “fishing before the Greens ban it’’.

As she packed up her office, Ms Redmond said she was looking forward to life after politics.

“You couldn’t wipe the smile off my face,’’ she said.

“It’s a great privilege to leave at a time of my own choosing because many people don’t have that opportunity.”

Ms Redmond said she intended to remain in the workforce, get fit, spend more time with her grandchildren, travel and revegetate a 4 hectare property she owns in Walker Flat, on the River Murray.

“I’m not about to sit in a rocking chair and wait to die or something,’’ she said.

Despite having earned the ire of his former party, Mr Hamilton-Smith said he had no regrets about quitting the Liberals after the 2014 election and accepting a post in the Weatherill Labor cabinet.

Mr Hamilton-Smith said serving as Defence Industries Minister had enabled him to play a role in the state wining the Future Submarines project.

“Your rewards are few in opposition,” he said. “In government you can actually help to make people’s lives at little bit better.”

After 24 years in the army, followed by 21 years in Parliament, Mr Hamilton-Smith said he intended to look for a new job. He was also looking forward to spending more time with his family, including his 13-year-old son.

While the former MPs can look forward to their retirement benefits, Australia's old age pensioners will receive a modest $6 per week increase. The age pension will this week increase from $814 a fortnight to $826 for singles, or from $894 to $907 with supplements.
Retired pollies’ annual pension

Michael Atkinson (Labor, Croydon)

Elected 1989

Minister 2002-2010, Speaker 2013-2018

$200,000 (He thinks it will be less)

Paul Caica (Labor, Colton)

Elected 2002

Minister 2006-2012

$125,000

Gail Gago (Labor MLC)

Elected 2002

Minister 2008-2016

$125,000

John Gazzola (Labor MLC)

Elected 2002

$125,000

Mark Goldsworthy (Liberal, Kavel)

Elected 2002

Opposition Whip 2012-2013

$125,000

Martin Hamilton-Smith (independent, Waite)

Elected 1997

Minister 2001-2002, 2014-2018

Liberal Opposition Leader 2007-2009

$140,000

Steps Key (Labor, Badcoe)

Elected 1997

Minister 2002-2006

$140,000

Isobel Redmond (Liberal, Heyson)

Elected 2002

Opposition Leader 2009-2013

$125,000

Jennifer Rankine (Labor, Wright)

Elected 1997

Minister 2006-2015

$140,000

Jack Snelling (Labor, Playford)

Elected 1997

Deputy Speaker 2005-2006

Speaker 2006-2010

Minister 2010-2017

$140,000

Mitch Williams (Liberal, Mackillop)

Elected 1997

Deputy Opposition Leader 2010-2012

Opposition Whip 2012

$140,000

Leesa Vlahos (Labor, Taylor)

Elected 2010

Elected after pensions schemes were abolished. Received 15.4 per cent super instead.

* Estimates. Doesn’t include loadings for senior members such as ministers, the Speaker and committee chairpeople
http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/sa-e ... 8fc5af05c9
This is disgusting. Even the 15.4% super for those elected after 2010, is still disgusting.
They are there to serve the people, after being elected by the people. They are not there to profit and benefit on the blood sweat and tears of the people.
Politicians salaries should be cut to whatever the average salary is, and rise and fall in line with it. Same super contributions as the rest of society, and same pension as the rest of us. Maybe then we will get honest politicians? I probably have more chance of winning $40 million in the Powerball.
You'd only get a combination of crap ones and those that can afford to live off the poor wages ( so people so rich the wage doesn't matter).

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Re: 2018 South Australian State Election

#325 Post by Waewick » Sun Mar 18, 2018 7:10 pm

rev wrote:Ah ok, my bad.
Retiring state MPs receive annual pensions of more than $100,000

FORMER Labor MP Michael Atkinson’s farewell gift from taxpayers after 30 years in Parliament is a six-figure pension.

The one-time Justice Minister, Attorney-General and House of Assembly Speaker is a member of an exclusive parliamentary pension scheme which closed to new members in 1995.

Last week, he said he believed his pension would be “closer to $100,000 than $200,000”. Mr Atkinson’s partner, Jennifer Rankine, is also retiring from Parliament and will be entitled to a pension of at least $140,000.

The 14 MPs who voluntarily retired at the election also include former Liberal leaders Martin Hamilton-Smith and Isobel Redmond and former Health Minister Jack Snelling.

The retiring MPs will receive annual pensions worth more $1.6 million combined.

The scheme Mr Atkinson is covered by delivers annual pensions that can be worth up to 75 per cent of the salary members earned in their six highest-paid years.

Mr Atkinson, who was first elected in 1989, earned about $330,000 a year when he was Speaker.

Former MPs elected between 1995 and 2006 will be eligible for pensions of 41.2 per cent of the current $191,000 base salary, plus 0.2 per cent of that salary for every full month of service after six years.

A supplement will be added for those that served as a minister, Opposition Leader or committee chairperson.

Former Health Minister Leesa Vlahos was elected in 2010 after the second parliamentary pension scheme was closed to put politicians on the same footing as other workers. MPs currently receive 15.4 per cent super contributions.

Mr Atkinson last week said his proudest achievement in Parliament had been carrying out Labor’s criminal justice program, which had contributed to a major reduction in crime. He said he would miss Question Time.

Mr Atkinson will soon be a grandfather for the first time and said he was looking froward to gardening, attending country horse race meetings and “fishing before the Greens ban it’’.

As she packed up her office, Ms Redmond said she was looking forward to life after politics.

“You couldn’t wipe the smile off my face,’’ she said.

“It’s a great privilege to leave at a time of my own choosing because many people don’t have that opportunity.”

Ms Redmond said she intended to remain in the workforce, get fit, spend more time with her grandchildren, travel and revegetate a 4 hectare property she owns in Walker Flat, on the River Murray.

“I’m not about to sit in a rocking chair and wait to die or something,’’ she said.

Despite having earned the ire of his former party, Mr Hamilton-Smith said he had no regrets about quitting the Liberals after the 2014 election and accepting a post in the Weatherill Labor cabinet.

Mr Hamilton-Smith said serving as Defence Industries Minister had enabled him to play a role in the state wining the Future Submarines project.

“Your rewards are few in opposition,” he said. “In government you can actually help to make people’s lives at little bit better.”

After 24 years in the army, followed by 21 years in Parliament, Mr Hamilton-Smith said he intended to look for a new job. He was also looking forward to spending more time with his family, including his 13-year-old son.

While the former MPs can look forward to their retirement benefits, Australia's old age pensioners will receive a modest $6 per week increase. The age pension will this week increase from $814 a fortnight to $826 for singles, or from $894 to $907 with supplements.
Retired pollies’ annual pension

Michael Atkinson (Labor, Croydon)

Elected 1989

Minister 2002-2010, Speaker 2013-2018

$200,000 (He thinks it will be less)

Paul Caica (Labor, Colton)

Elected 2002

Minister 2006-2012

$125,000

Gail Gago (Labor MLC)

Elected 2002

Minister 2008-2016

$125,000

John Gazzola (Labor MLC)

Elected 2002

$125,000

Mark Goldsworthy (Liberal, Kavel)

Elected 2002

Opposition Whip 2012-2013

$125,000

Martin Hamilton-Smith (independent, Waite)

Elected 1997

Minister 2001-2002, 2014-2018

Liberal Opposition Leader 2007-2009

$140,000

Steps Key (Labor, Badcoe)

Elected 1997

Minister 2002-2006

$140,000

Isobel Redmond (Liberal, Heyson)

Elected 2002

Opposition Leader 2009-2013

$125,000

Jennifer Rankine (Labor, Wright)

Elected 1997

Minister 2006-2015

$140,000

Jack Snelling (Labor, Playford)

Elected 1997

Deputy Speaker 2005-2006

Speaker 2006-2010

Minister 2010-2017

$140,000

Mitch Williams (Liberal, Mackillop)

Elected 1997

Deputy Opposition Leader 2010-2012

Opposition Whip 2012

$140,000

Leesa Vlahos (Labor, Taylor)

Elected 2010

Elected after pensions schemes were abolished. Received 15.4 per cent super instead.

* Estimates. Doesn’t include loadings for senior members such as ministers, the Speaker and committee chairpeople
http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/sa-e ... 8fc5af05c9
This is disgusting. Even the 15.4% super for those elected after 2010, is still disgusting.
They are there to serve the people, after being elected by the people. They are not there to profit and benefit on the blood sweat and tears of the people.
Politicians salaries should be cut to whatever the average salary is, and rise and fall in line with it. Same super contributions as the rest of society, and same pension as the rest of us. Maybe then we will get honest politicians? I probably have more chance of winning $40 million in the Powerball.
double post.

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Re: 2018 South Australian State Election

#326 Post by Jaymz » Sun Mar 18, 2018 7:39 pm

Talk up the SA Labor party all you want. But the only reasons they weren't destroyed at the past 2 elections are...

1: Too many ppl in S.A rely on the Govt. for their livelihood i.e public sector, Govt. assisted industry and outright welfare.

2: The population didn't properly understand how the preference system worked

I for one am happy to see the end of Jay's ultra-left-wing agenda.

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#327 Post by [Shuz] » Sun Mar 18, 2018 7:50 pm

I'm a little confused. ABC are saying two seats are still in doubt, and having looked through the electorates, it would seem there are three (Adelaide, Mawson and Newland). Of which Labor is currently leading two and Liberal are ahead in Newland. Counting is about 2/3s done for the majority of seats.

All the others are pretty much called for. Will be interesting to see which way the postal votes will go.

It's looking likely though that Labor will end up with 20, Liberal 24, and 3 Independents.

It'll be interesting to see if the Liberals can go the whole four years as a united team and ensure that they are in lockstep with one another, because all it takes is one person to defect and they lose their majority.

We're seeing the exact same scenario playing out Federally because any one of them could do the same thing. Which is why we continue to see the likes of Abbott and Christensen, etc. constantly kicking up a fuss without any penalty or scolding from the party. Turnbull can't afford to lose his majorty and neither can Marshall.

It's a very powerful position for any one of those people to be in. Expect a lot of internal power struggles and a few rogue players to come to the fore.
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#328 Post by [Shuz] » Sun Mar 18, 2018 7:52 pm

Also, a quick note. I am disgusted to see that is the sorts of dollar figures being bandied about for politicians pensions. Its just pure greed and extortionate. It is an absolute gross abuse and swindle of taxpayers money and they should be on 9% like the rest of us. No wonder the public have such little trust and discontempt for pollies.
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Re: 2018 South Australian State Election

#329 Post by Norman » Sun Mar 18, 2018 7:56 pm

[Shuz] wrote:
Sun Mar 18, 2018 7:52 pm
Also, a quick note. I am disgusted to see that is the sorts of dollar figures being bandied about for politicians pensions. Its just pure greed and extortionate. It is an absolute gross abuse and swindle of taxpayers money and they should be on 9% like the rest of us. No wonder the public have such little trust and discontempt for pollies.
Why? All public servants, state and federal, are on 15.4% super.

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Re: 2018 South Australian State Election

#330 Post by citywatcher » Sun Mar 18, 2018 8:06 pm

Jaymz wrote:Talk up the SA Labor party all you want. But the only reasons they weren't destroyed at the past 2 elections are...

1: Too many ppl in S.A rely on the Govt. for their livelihood i.e public sector, Govt. assisted industry and outright welfare.

2: The population didn't properly understand how the preference system worked

I for one am happy to see the end of Jay's ultra-left-wing agenda.
Ultra left wing?
Give it a rest moron

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