Shift Hindmarsh Stadium into the city

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Shift Hindmarsh Stadium into the city

#1 Post by Aikhme » Sat Mar 02, 2019 12:46 pm

Next to Adelaide Oval with a multipurpose 20 to 25K stadium the city can be proud of.

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Re: Shift Hindmarsh Stadium into the city

#2 Post by Aidan » Sat Mar 02, 2019 1:31 pm

Adelaide Oval is not in the City!

A decade ago we had a great opportunity to build a rectangular stadium in the City, but the idiotic state government built a hospital on the site instead.

And could we really be proud of a stadium with a capacity that low?
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Re: Shift Hindmarsh Stadium into the city

#3 Post by Aikhme » Sat Mar 02, 2019 2:10 pm

Aidan wrote:
Sat Mar 02, 2019 1:31 pm
Adelaide Oval is not in the City!

A decade ago we had a great opportunity to build a rectangular stadium in the City, but the idiotic state government built a hospital on the site instead.

And could we really be proud of a stadium with a capacity that low?
Absolutely we can be proud of a rectangular stadium with 20 to 25K. There are so many stadiums like this in Europe and the atmosphere within them is far better than an oval Stadium like Adelaide Oval.

You don't want to go too big whereby it ends up being a white elephant either. You need to build something whereby there is a good chance Adelaide United will fill it to capacity and justifies it.

We also already have a big stadium so you don't need anythning that big. That would just be a waste.

But a 25K all seater, rectangular stadium would be just brilliant.

I also believe that this stadium can be squeezed somewhere near Adelaide Oval.

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Re: Shift Hindmarsh Stadium into the city

#4 Post by Nort » Mon Mar 04, 2019 11:12 am

Aidan wrote:
Sat Mar 02, 2019 1:31 pm
Adelaide Oval is not in the City!

A decade ago we had a great opportunity to build a rectangular stadium in the City, but the idiotic state government built a hospital on the site instead.

And could we really be proud of a stadium with a capacity that low?
That "idiotic" decision led to massive federal investment in expanding medical research and training opportunities for our two largest universities. It's hard to look at that whole precinct and imagine another city stadium adding more.

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Re: Shift Hindmarsh Stadium into the city

#5 Post by Aikhme » Tue Mar 05, 2019 9:25 am

OK I don't think a new stadium should have been in lieu of the new state of the art hospital or research center.

ut why not have a rectangular stadium somewhere near AO? It will add quite a lot to the city in terms of an entertainment precinct.

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Re: Shift Hindmarsh Stadium into the city

#6 Post by Nathan » Tue Mar 05, 2019 10:24 am

I don't see the need to relocate to the city, or near AO. Hindmarsh is near the city and well connected to transport — I think there is value in building up Hindmarsh as an inner suburb destination (along with Bowden), with the stadium and Entertainment Centre as the centrepieces, infill around the two (residential, commercial and entertainment), and a long talked about massive upgrade of Bonython Park.

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Re: Shift Hindmarsh Stadium into the city

#7 Post by Nort » Tue Mar 05, 2019 10:30 am

Aikhme wrote:
Tue Mar 05, 2019 9:25 am
OK I don't think a new stadium should have been in lieu of the new state of the art hospital or research center.

ut why not have a rectangular stadium somewhere near AO? It will add quite a lot to the city in terms of an entertainment precinct.
What problem is a new city rectangular stadium solving?

I'm not a fan of a new stadium being built in that area because it seems like building right next door to Adelaide Oval would just make it harder for events to use both at the same time.

That said I am a fan of this sort of idea, using the under-utilized space in this area for a public purpose, with the stands extending over covered train lines.

Effectively creating new parklands at the same time would mean you alleviate a lot of concerns about removing public space, and the location would allow the construction of a new Stadium/Hospital train stop as part of an eventual CBD train tunnel.

(The stadium is positioned a little closer to the river than ideal in this mockup, however this placement would mean that most of the stands and the pitch don't have to be placed over the lines, with only the southern stand extending over them)
torrensStadium.png

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Re: Shift Hindmarsh Stadium into the city

#8 Post by Aikhme » Wed Mar 06, 2019 1:55 pm

Nort wrote:
Tue Mar 05, 2019 10:30 am
Aikhme wrote:
Tue Mar 05, 2019 9:25 am
OK I don't think a new stadium should have been in lieu of the new state of the art hospital or research center.

ut why not have a rectangular stadium somewhere near AO? It will add quite a lot to the city in terms of an entertainment precinct.
What problem is a new city rectangular stadium solving?

I'm not a fan of a new stadium being built in that area because it seems like building right next door to Adelaide Oval would just make it harder for events to use both at the same time.

That said I am a fan of this sort of idea, using the under-utilized space in this area for a public purpose, with the stands extending over covered train lines.

Effectively creating new parklands at the same time would mean you alleviate a lot of concerns about removing public space, and the location would allow the construction of a new Stadium/Hospital train stop as part of an eventual CBD train tunnel.

(The stadium is positioned a little closer to the river than ideal in this mockup, however this placement would mean that most of the stands and the pitch don't have to be placed over the lines, with only the southern stand extending over them)torrensStadium.png
In-genius. What a fantastic idea.

Cover the train tracks, so effectively the trains run underneath, and more public space.

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Re: Shift Hindmarsh Stadium into the city

#9 Post by Nort » Wed Mar 06, 2019 8:46 pm

Aikhme wrote:
Wed Mar 06, 2019 1:55 pm
Nort wrote:
Tue Mar 05, 2019 10:30 am
Aikhme wrote:
Tue Mar 05, 2019 9:25 am
OK I don't think a new stadium should have been in lieu of the new state of the art hospital or research center.

ut why not have a rectangular stadium somewhere near AO? It will add quite a lot to the city in terms of an entertainment precinct.
What problem is a new city rectangular stadium solving?

I'm not a fan of a new stadium being built in that area because it seems like building right next door to Adelaide Oval would just make it harder for events to use both at the same time.

That said I am a fan of this sort of idea, using the under-utilized space in this area for a public purpose, with the stands extending over covered train lines.

Effectively creating new parklands at the same time would mean you alleviate a lot of concerns about removing public space, and the location would allow the construction of a new Stadium/Hospital train stop as part of an eventual CBD train tunnel.

(The stadium is positioned a little closer to the river than ideal in this mockup, however this placement would mean that most of the stands and the pitch don't have to be placed over the lines, with only the southern stand extending over them)torrensStadium.png
In-genius. What a fantastic idea.

Cover the train tracks, so effectively the trains run underneath, and more public space.
While I love the idea I can't claim credit for it, amongst many the Adelaide City Council themselves had a master-plan proposing building a public connection to the Torrens over the train lines there. Haven't seen it proposed as a stadium site before though.

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Re: Shift Hindmarsh Stadium into the city

#10 Post by Aikhme » Thu Mar 07, 2019 1:58 pm

Well it looks like A Coopers Stadium Shift to the CBSD is gaining traction and the 2 sites under consideration are:

1) Over the railway tracks near thew Convention Centre, and

2) At Next Generation next to AO.

The old Coopers Stadium and Entertainment Center will be closed down and sold off in order to partly fund the new multi purpose rectangular stadium and Entertainment Centre.

This all sounds very exciting and here is the report.

https://indaily.com.au/news/local/2019/ ... s-step-up/

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Re: Shift Hindmarsh Stadium into the city

#11 Post by Llessur2002 » Thu Mar 07, 2019 2:17 pm

Aikhme wrote:
Thu Mar 07, 2019 1:58 pm
Well it looks like A Coopers Stadium Shift to the CBSD is gaining traction and the 2 sites under consideration are:

1) Over the railway tracks near thew Convention Centre, and

2) At Next Generation next to AO.

The old Coopers Stadium and Entertainment Center will be closed down and sold off in order to partly fund the new multi purpose rectangular stadium and Entertainment Centre.

This all sounds very exciting and here is the report.

https://indaily.com.au/news/local/2019/ ... s-step-up/
Sounds like a bit of a hypothetical brain fart without much substance at the moment - but let's see what comes of it.

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Re: Shift Hindmarsh Stadium into the city

#12 Post by Aikhme » Thu Mar 07, 2019 3:06 pm

Llessur2002 wrote:
Thu Mar 07, 2019 2:17 pm
Aikhme wrote:
Thu Mar 07, 2019 1:58 pm
Well it looks like A Coopers Stadium Shift to the CBSD is gaining traction and the 2 sites under consideration are:

1) Over the railway tracks near thew Convention Centre, and

2) At Next Generation next to AO.

The old Coopers Stadium and Entertainment Center will be closed down and sold off in order to partly fund the new multi purpose rectangular stadium and Entertainment Centre.

This all sounds very exciting and here is the report.

https://indaily.com.au/news/local/2019/ ... s-step-up/
Sounds like a bit of a hypothetical brain fart without much substance at the moment - but let's see what comes of it.
I don't know. These plans have been on again off again for the last 10 years. One day it is going to happen.

It does make a lot of sense, and I bet the land at Coopers Stadium is worth about 70 million when subdivided. That can go a long way towards a new stadium. Plus there would be a lot of urban consolidation which is a big plus.

I think the Marshall Government will have to do something otherwise they are a 1 termer.

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Re: Shift Hindmarsh Stadium into the city

#13 Post by [Shuz] » Thu Mar 07, 2019 3:54 pm

Personally my preferred option is a refurbishment of Hindmarsh Stadium, however, the major setback with this is that it is surrounded by 6 State Heritage properties, which undoubtedly will be met with protest if demolition of these properties is even considered. Having said that, I believe it would be ideal to see the soccer pitch shifted about 25m due south, so that the northern most edge of the main stand would pretty much be right at the corner of the new pitch, and then do a brick-by-brick rebuild of the church that currently stands in the way on the south side, and rebuild it to the north of the site. This would then enable the western, northern and southern stands to be increased in capacity, assuming the same structural size as the main stand, leaving the eastern stand as is, without impacting on any other of the 5 state heritage buildings elsewhere.
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Re: Shift Hindmarsh Stadium into the city

#14 Post by Llessur2002 » Thu Mar 07, 2019 4:00 pm

Aikhme wrote:
Thu Mar 07, 2019 3:06 pm
I think the Marshall Government will have to do something otherwise they are a 1 termer.
It would certainly be interesting to hear what the plans might be for the Coopers (and possible AEC) site if/when they are ever sold - I have heard various options ranging from a Bowden style TOD to a retail centre.

However, I'm not 100% sure that there are enough voters in Adelaide for whom relocating the soccer stadium is an election priority for Marshall to be too worried about this. Even Adelaide United fans seem quite split on the idea.

Building anything on the parklands is a bit of a political hot potato - as we have seen with the Adelaide Oval hotel proposal. Would Marshall & Co really want to dirty their hands with a similar proposal in their first term in office? The plan to build over the rail lines is interesting but presumably that would come at a significantly increased cost - is the A league really worth it?

Personally I think Hindmarsh is a perfect location for a soccer stadium. If Adelaide were any other city (i.e. the parklands weren't there) it would be considered a prime inner city site anyway. It is well served by tram and train lines (400m from the tram stop to the stadium and a tad further from the rail station - that's almost exactly on par with the distance of Adelaide oval from the rail station and the North Terrace tram stops) - with potential to have a tram line running to its doors. It also has abundant parking at the AEC for those who have to drive. Port Road has a retail strip which has great potential to expand to service soccer fans on match days and it's a short tram ride to the CBD for fans who want to head into the city proper after the game.

I also dispute that a couple of heritage buildings would genuinely prevent its expansion - I have seen nicer buildings demolished for less. Plus, with enough money buildings can be moved and/or possibly incorporated into the stadium design.

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Re: Shift Hindmarsh Stadium into the city

#15 Post by Nort » Thu Mar 07, 2019 4:24 pm

Llessur2002 wrote:
Thu Mar 07, 2019 4:00 pm
Personally I think Hindmarsh is a perfect location for a soccer stadium. If Adelaide were any other city (i.e. the parklands weren't there) it would be considered a prime inner city location anyway.
This is something people tend to forget.

For context, Coopers Stadium is closer to Adelaide train station than the Sydney Cricket Ground is to Circular Quay.

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