Re: Riverlea (Buckland Park) | 12,000 dwellings | $3b
Posted: Tue Mar 26, 2024 10:10 am
If Riverlea was a TOD, the government wouldn't need to sprawl out to Two Wells
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Where did this stuff about going to the Central Market to buy their vegetables come from?SBD wrote: ↑Mon Mar 25, 2024 7:55 pmSome people on this forum complain about sprawling suburbia on productive farmland.
Some complain about excessive commute time/distance.
Now we have people wanting to build housing and a new railway line+station on land that is zoned as primary production horticulture.
I'm the one who thinks people should be less hung up on "the city centre" and the "Central Business District" and encourage/facilitate more people to work near where they live (or live near where they work).
Riverlea Park residents don't need to be helped to get to the Central Market to buy vegetables that were grown over their back fence. They don't need the vegetables ripped up so there are more houses full of people who can't buy locally-grown vegetables any more. They more bus services at higher frequency to get to the local services that are too far to walk - for buses (or trains) to be useful, they should go to the same places people would drive to - like paths in parks have to go on the "desire lines" where people actually walk.
Yes, that would be fantastic.I'm the one who thinks people should be less hung up on "the city centre" and the "Central Business District" and encourage/facilitate more people to work near where they live (or live near where they work).
Where do city-focused people buy fresh fruit and vegetables? It's a short drive but a long public transport journey from Riverlea Park to Virgara at Angle Vale. Woolworths does not count as fresh fruit and veg.Nort wrote: ↑Tue Mar 26, 2024 12:19 pmWhere did this stuff about going to the Central Market to buy their vegetables come from?SBD wrote: ↑Mon Mar 25, 2024 7:55 pmSome people on this forum complain about sprawling suburbia on productive farmland.
Some complain about excessive commute time/distance.
Now we have people wanting to build housing and a new railway line+station on land that is zoned as primary production horticulture.
I'm the one who thinks people should be less hung up on "the city centre" and the "Central Business District" and encourage/facilitate more people to work near where they live (or live near where they work).
Riverlea Park residents don't need to be helped to get to the Central Market to buy vegetables that were grown over their back fence. They don't need the vegetables ripped up so there are more houses full of people who can't buy locally-grown vegetables any more. They more bus services at higher frequency to get to the local services that are too far to walk - for buses (or trains) to be useful, they should go to the same places people would drive to - like paths in parks have to go on the "desire lines" where people actually walk.
Yes, that would be fantastic.I'm the one who thinks people should be less hung up on "the city centre" and the "Central Business District" and encourage/facilitate more people to work near where they live (or live near where they work).
It would also be fantastic if we just deployed Star Trek style teleporters to resolve the issue entirely.
All the examples both from here, interstate, and internationally, show that the latter teleportation option is only slightly less realistic.
A suburb within commuting distance of Adelaide will become a suburb with a large number of commuters, that's just a fact. The question here is just what percentage of those are going to add to car traffic, and the current plans are for close to 100% to do so.
I think your focusing too much on where people buy fruit and veg, rather then that people will travel for a variety of reasons, not just specifically where they buy their fruit & veg. For work, on weekends for example going into the city.SBD wrote: ↑Tue Mar 26, 2024 12:50 pmWhere do city-focused people buy fresh fruit and vegetables? It's a short drive but a long public transport journey from Riverlea Park to Virgara at Angle Vale. Woolworths does not count as fresh fruit and veg.Nort wrote: ↑Tue Mar 26, 2024 12:19 pmWhere did this stuff about going to the Central Market to buy their vegetables come from?SBD wrote: ↑Mon Mar 25, 2024 7:55 pmSome people on this forum complain about sprawling suburbia on productive farmland.
Some complain about excessive commute time/distance.
Now we have people wanting to build housing and a new railway line+station on land that is zoned as primary production horticulture.
I'm the one who thinks people should be less hung up on "the city centre" and the "Central Business District" and encourage/facilitate more people to work near where they live (or live near where they work).
Riverlea Park residents don't need to be helped to get to the Central Market to buy vegetables that were grown over their back fence. They don't need the vegetables ripped up so there are more houses full of people who can't buy locally-grown vegetables any more. They more bus services at higher frequency to get to the local services that are too far to walk - for buses (or trains) to be useful, they should go to the same places people would drive to - like paths in parks have to go on the "desire lines" where people actually walk.
Yes, that would be fantastic.I'm the one who thinks people should be less hung up on "the city centre" and the "Central Business District" and encourage/facilitate more people to work near where they live (or live near where they work).
It would also be fantastic if we just deployed Star Trek style teleporters to resolve the issue entirely.
All the examples both from here, interstate, and internationally, show that the latter teleportation option is only slightly less realistic.
A suburb within commuting distance of Adelaide will become a suburb with a large number of commuters, that's just a fact. The question here is just what percentage of those are going to add to car traffic, and the current plans are for close to 100% to do so.
A bus route Riverlea Park - Virginia - Angle Vale - Curtis Road - Smithfield Interchange has the potential to be a useful community service rather than assuming everybody in outer suburbs need to get into the Adelaide CBD all the time.
Bus or train services will take a long time to be adopted, as the people who have chosen to build at Riverlea Park have already factored in their transport needs based on what they expected to see when they signed their building contracts. I suspect there are school bus services not listed on Adelaide Metro's website.
EXACTLY.rev wrote: ↑Tue Mar 26, 2024 3:48 pmI think your focusing too much on where people buy fruit and veg, rather then that people will travel for a variety of reasons, not just specifically where they buy their fruit & veg. For work, on weekends for example going into the city.SBD wrote: ↑Tue Mar 26, 2024 12:50 pmWhere do city-focused people buy fresh fruit and vegetables? It's a short drive but a long public transport journey from Riverlea Park to Virgara at Angle Vale. Woolworths does not count as fresh fruit and veg.Nort wrote: ↑Tue Mar 26, 2024 12:19 pm
Where did this stuff about going to the Central Market to buy their vegetables come from?
Yes, that would be fantastic.
It would also be fantastic if we just deployed Star Trek style teleporters to resolve the issue entirely.
All the examples both from here, interstate, and internationally, show that the latter teleportation option is only slightly less realistic.
A suburb within commuting distance of Adelaide will become a suburb with a large number of commuters, that's just a fact. The question here is just what percentage of those are going to add to car traffic, and the current plans are for close to 100% to do so.
A bus route Riverlea Park - Virginia - Angle Vale - Curtis Road - Smithfield Interchange has the potential to be a useful community service rather than assuming everybody in outer suburbs need to get into the Adelaide CBD all the time.
Bus or train services will take a long time to be adopted, as the people who have chosen to build at Riverlea Park have already factored in their transport needs based on what they expected to see when they signed their building contracts. I suspect there are school bus services not listed on Adelaide Metro's website.
Buses shouldn't be the go to option. Especially in this case where the opportunity exists to expand the rail network even if it is just an additional line or spur line, and most development around it can, can be shaped around that train line and stations, as opposed to how we usually do things in South Australia with public transport which is the opposite.
It's not just Riverlea, but the housing developments that are going to follow. From Riverlea across to Angle Vale, down to Munno Parra and Burton, the majority of that region is going to be housing in the not too distant future.
That's a couple hundred thousand people. Remember, the plan is for Adelaide to be a city of 2 million by 2050. That is where those people are going to be living.
Public transport, rail lines, need to be thought of now, not when there's 150,000 more cars or more on the roads and congestion is out of this world. Even buses at that stage aren't going to cut it.
great solution... Riverlea to Adelaide in 3 hours!
Virginia would have been closer I think.
Also what I was thinking, plus why go home with an almost empty tank in a potential bushfire area?
does it actually flood there periodically? probably not a great location for a housing devEBG wrote: ↑Sat Mar 30, 2024 2:16 pmI don't live in Riverlea, I was just visiting, I live in the Eastern suburbs. If I had known it was so far from civilisation I would have brought a packed lunch and filled up in Salisbury or Gepps Cross. You all realise that before the Government decided to call this project Riverlea it was known as The Lower Light Flood Plain.
EBG B. Eng. (Civil).