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#181 Post by Nathan » Thu Nov 04, 2021 9:48 am

I get the argument that the hospital itself needs to be as close to the RAH as possible, but why is acquiring land across North Tce not an option for a carpark that serves both hospitals?

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#182 Post by SRW » Thu Nov 04, 2021 12:36 pm

The carpark has apparently been reconfigured in consultation with the ACC. It's now more linearly placed along the railway, but still a substantial incursion into parkland. And beyond that, if they are absolutely committed to that sacrifice, at least make some effort to incorporate the structure into the landscape and/or greenery. A couple artful swirls on a open garage does not cut it.
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#183 Post by ml69 » Thu Nov 04, 2021 10:18 pm

Nort wrote:
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We love carparks in this city don't we.

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Yes, too much. However a hospital absolutely is one of those cases when it's justified.

Expansion of structures into parklands areas like this are exactly why we should be looking at returning areas like the proposed arena site to parklands. This absolutely is the best location for a new WCH, but to ensure they aren't just seen as free land and whittled away there should as much as possible be a policy of trying to give back land whenever some is taken away.
I think the car park could be “disguised” with green-walled landscaping around the whole building, will make it less intrusive on the surrounding parkland.

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#184 Post by A-Town » Fri Nov 05, 2021 6:43 pm

NTRabbit wrote:
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Logistically, being built right next to the RAH is the best place for it. It's not ideal that the recently landscaped lands will be built on, yes, but where else would you build it? I'm not fussed about the olive groves being torn up as the last time I checked, members of the public weren't even allowed to enter this area. Not to mention they are a pest plant...
Building over the rail yards still puts it next to the nRAH - a much better option than what they currently want to put there, and no need to destroy anything to do it
Yes, but how much more would that cost?

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#185 Post by VinyTapestry849 » Wed Nov 24, 2021 3:06 pm

Plans Crystallise for $1.95bn Pandemic-Informed Adelaide Hospital 1 hour ago
Source: The Urban Developer

Plans for Adelaide’s new $1.95-billion Women’s and Children’s Hospital are crystallising, with a new 12-storey state-of-the-art facility to be built in the city’s biomedical precinct.

It will be Australia’s first all-electric hospital with 500 treatment spaces, 170 outpatient consultation rooms and two air bridges linking directly to the co-located Royal Adelaide Hospital’s intensive care unit and helipad.

The project has been many years in the making after the South Australian government announced in 2018 that the 140-year-old hospital would make way for the Lot Fourteen development.

Woods Bagot associate principal Edwina Bennett, who is speaking at The Urban Developer's virtual one-day summit on healthcare property, said the Adelaide-based architecture firm had put forward an international team for their successful bid, including Woods Bagot, Bates Smart, Jacobs, and UK-based BDP.

But the project was not without its challenges, according to Bennett, who said there was a significant number of shareholder groups involved in the success of the project, plus an awkward triangular and somewhat constrained site to contend with.

“Everybody is quite attached to the existing hospital. It's near and dear to a lot of people historically and, being a smaller city, I guess everyone’s either had an experience there or knows someone who's had an experience there,” Bennett said.

“[It’s] momentous for the organisation itself … but also for Adelaide in that it's being sited down the western end of the Royal Adelaide Hospital, which of course was finished nearly 10 years ago now, so it's really bookending the Bio Med precinct.

“That's been one of the big growth and success stories of Adelaide, certainly over the past decade.”

Bennett said the 11,000sq m site would accommodate a 12-storey 100,000sq m building with a seven-storey podium, the two air bridges, and a direct connection across the train lines to parkland.

UK-based BDP practitioners have brought their firsthand experience of a pandemic in full-flight to help inform the hospital’s design and best-practice.

“We are absolutely dealing with a pandemic world and it's been interesting being one of the the largest hospitals in the country, certainly coming into its design phases and master planning,” Bennett said.

“We won the bid during the pandemic, so we really had to shift our thinking pretty quickly … the clinicians and the doctors and everyone is looking for benchmarking best practices and evidence-based design.”

The physical ties between the Royal Adelaide Hospital and the Women’s and Children’s Hospital will create a publicly accessible concourse linking the hospitals that continues through to the parklands.

Bennett said the design team was committed to ensuring inclusivity of all cultures and honouring the Kaurna land on which the hospital will be built, as a place of meeting, and it’s connectivity to the river.

Bennett said they were aiming for completion at the end of 2026 for occupation in 2027.

Also in Adelaide, Northwest has announced it will spend $165 million to create a healthcare precinct at Playford in Adelaide.

The investment includes a $49-million specialist medical centre, and a $93-million private hospital to be operated by Calvary Health Care, with eight operating theatres and 120 beds.

Northwest chief executive Craig Mitchell said it was its second multi-million-dollar health investment announced in the past month in South Australia, following the acquisition of the Tennyson Centre for $93 million.

“This brings our recent healthcare investments in South Australia to more than $260 million, and deepens our footprint in the state, allowing us to bring together the best healthcare providers and create a state-of-the-art private healthcare precinct at Playford to improve and expand the delivery of health services to South Australians,” Mitchell said.
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#186 Post by Listy » Thu Nov 25, 2021 9:47 am

Already up to $2 billion ... this article from 2018 is looking more and more prescient:
timtam20292 wrote:
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As Rev has reported:
SA Libs to push ahead with hospital move

A new co-located hospital for women and children will be built in Adelaide in line with an election commitment, Premier Steven Marshall says, amid opposition suggestions it could cost more than $2.5 billion.

The new facility should be located alongside the new Royal Adelaide Hospital on North Terrace, based on clinical advice, Mr Marshall says.

He's appointed a task force to advise the government on options for the proposed move with a view to having that information by the end of the year.

Mr Marshall has declined to speculate on the cost of the new facility but has pledged to take the advice of clinicians on how to proceed throughout the process.

"This is a matter of safety," he said told reporters on Wednesday.

"Adelaide is the only mainland capital city which doesn't have a co-located women's and children's hospital with the major teaching hospital

"The clinicians tell us this is sub-optimal. In fact, the clinicians tell us this is dangerous."

Opposition Leader Peter Malinauskas said it was up to the new government to release details of its plans.

But he said some estimates put the cost of a new co-located hospital at more than the $2.3 billion spent on the new RAH.

"The cost of a brand new women's and children's hospital on the site of the biomedical precinct can be well in excess of $2.5 billion," he said.

Health Minister Stephen Wade said he had not seen any cost estimates for a new facility beyond $2 billion with one estimate coming in at $1.4 billion.

"This will be a great asset for the people of South Australia in terms of health outcomes," he said.

Labor took a pledge to the election to move the women's hospital to an area alongside the new RAH at a cost of about $500 million with a view to establishing a separate children's hospital nearby at some stage in the future.
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#187 Post by VinyTapestry849 » Thu Nov 25, 2021 10:23 am

Already up to $2 billion ... this article from 2018 is looking more and more prescient:
If it is 2 billion it will become the second most expensive building in the country, just below the RAH's 2.4B
Ironic, Adelaide is a smaller city but has the most expensive buildings in the country.
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#188 Post by Nathan » Thu Nov 25, 2021 10:42 am

Sigh... Emporis again. Those tables are always missing data, or getting details plain wrong.

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#189 Post by SouthAussie94 » Thu Nov 25, 2021 12:30 pm

Nathan wrote:
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Sigh... Emporis again. Those tables are always missing data, or getting details plain wrong.
In a nutshell, what's wrong with the data?
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#190 Post by Nathan » Thu Nov 25, 2021 12:55 pm

SouthAussie94 wrote:
Thu Nov 25, 2021 12:30 pm
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Sigh... Emporis again. Those tables are always missing data, or getting details plain wrong.
In a nutshell, what's wrong with the data?
They regularly have incorrect data in their database. At one point they even got AUD confused for USD with their nRAH listing. Much like Wikipedia, most of the data is submitted, but with a lot less community fact checking, and a complete lack of sources. I also don't believe they should be presenting any kind of "top" lists, when they're really just lists of what is in their database. Their 'most expensive' list is lacking many buildings that are on Wikipedia's similar list (and I doubt that's exhaustive as well). It's where the "nRAH is the third most expensive building in the world" bullshit started, when even the slightest bit of research would have shown that to have been false.

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#191 Post by VinyTapestry849 » Thu Nov 25, 2021 2:07 pm

"nRAH is the third most expensive building in the world" bullshit started, when even the slightest bit of research would have shown that to have been false.
RAH is currently 28th accrd. to Wikipedia, so very wrong them saying its third.

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#192 Post by Nathan » Thu Nov 25, 2021 2:24 pm

VinyTapestry849 wrote:
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"nRAH is the third most expensive building in the world" bullshit started, when even the slightest bit of research would have shown that to have been false.
RAH is currently 28th accrd. to Wikipedia, so very wrong them saying its third.
Exactly. And even the Wikipedia list is missing items, so likely that there's even more above it (Both Gold Coast University Hospital and Fiona Stanley Hospital in Perth are missing, which were both around the $1.8-2b mark, for instance, which should have put them above Jewel Changi Airport)

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#193 Post by rev » Thu Nov 25, 2021 6:12 pm

Does it really matter if its the 1st or 590th most expensive?

As long as we get value for money.

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#194 Post by GrowAdelaide » Fri Nov 26, 2021 8:48 am

rev wrote:
Thu Nov 25, 2021 6:12 pm
Does it really matter if its the 1st or 590th most expensive?

As long as we get value for money.
They're not debating the importance of the data, rather its accuracy, but yes at the end of the day its a value for money proposition. We all know hospitals are expensive, and why.

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#195 Post by SBD » Fri Nov 26, 2021 12:20 pm

GrowAdelaide wrote:
Fri Nov 26, 2021 8:48 am
rev wrote:
Thu Nov 25, 2021 6:12 pm
Does it really matter if its the 1st or 590th most expensive?

As long as we get value for money.
They're not debating the importance of the data, rather its accuracy, but yes at the end of the day its a value for money proposition. We all know hospitals are expensive, and why.
The "cost" of a building can be manipulated up or down depending on what is counted. Total cost of the project is more objective, but clearly more than just the building, and still a little vague.

Manipulation of the "building cost" depends on what is included such as:
  • landscaping
  • floor coverings, curtains (window and cubicle)
  • aircon plant
  • backup power
  • fuel for the backup power
  • furniture
  • certification of clean rooms and systems
  • training people to use the new systems
  • moving supplies and patients from the old hospital to the new one
  • etc.

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