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I think that's all very fair - I also thought they could have planted a few more trees where the arbour structure is.SRW wrote: ↑Tue Dec 17, 2019 12:16 amI'm glad for it and hope to see a similar treatment one day applied to the full length of Gawler Place. It's a much enhanced entrance to the Mall, especially once the trees mature.
But there are few design choices that niggle me. For one, the hanging garden 'arbours' -- IIRC, we got these rather than further trees so as to keep that section more amenable to pop up events. But the street furnishings kinda interfere with that anyway. So, while they may be cool and trendy in principle, in reality the arbours are kinda inadequate and underwhelming in a space more actual trees would have done better.
Also, kinda puzzled why the tree pits are exposed top soil as opposed to being covered, unless they're soon to be further planted with shrubbery.
For reference:Ho Really wrote: ↑Tue Dec 17, 2019 11:14 amThe arbours are a waste of time and money. Very little shade. We need as much shade as possible not arty fixtures that hold plants that are hard to water and maintain. Let's be serious!
As for the line of trees in the middle of Gawler Place at the intersection of North Terrace what purpose do they serve? Taking away two complete lanes for traffic coming in and out of the car park! People already struggled to get out of that car park before and now it will be mayhem. Granted if all cars ran on electricity or hydrogen there wouldn't be any pollution but imagine sitting in your car waiting to get out of that car park with all the fumes. I have and it is not enjoyable. I reckon all of this is a fail. Trees should be planted where people will sit. Give them shade. The more the better as our summers are getting longer and hotter. Place shrubs if you really want in median strips but don't narrow lanes to choke traffic at car parks. If you don't want car parks get rid of them first from the city. Then make the CBD into a giant mall with all the fancy BS arbours and not trees! Then you can also get rid of shoppers too and they'll all go to to suburbs where they'll have undercover parking and covered from the elements and heat. Get the pic?
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So there's a lane in and a lane out, seems pretty reasonable to me and the trees both provide shade and greenery along with being a nice indicator to drivers that they are entering a shared space.
Wake up on the wrong side of the bed today, mate?Ho Really wrote: ↑Tue Dec 17, 2019 11:14 amThe arbours are a waste of time and money. Very little shade. We need as much shade as possible not arty fixtures that hold plants that are hard to water and maintain. Let's be serious!
As for the line of trees in the middle of Gawler Place at the intersection of North Terrace what purpose do they serve? Taking away two complete lanes for traffic coming in and out of the car park! People already struggled to get out of that car park before and now it will be mayhem. Granted if all cars ran on electricity or hydrogen there wouldn't be any pollution but imagine sitting in your car waiting to get out of that car park with all the fumes. I have and it is not enjoyable. I reckon all of this is a fail. Trees should be planted where people will sit. Give them shade. The more the better as our summers are getting longer and hotter. Place shrubs if you really want in median strips but don't narrow lanes to choke traffic at car parks. If you don't want car parks get rid of them first from the city. Then make the CBD into a giant mall with all the fancy BS arbours and not trees! Then you can also get rid of shoppers too and they'll all go to to suburbs where they'll have undercover parking and covered from the elements and heat. Get the pic?
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As a matter of fact no. Obviously many here aren't interested in criticism. I have explained why it is a waste of money, etc.
So it wasn't easier before with two lanes? No my argument doesn't contradict itself. The trees for shade should be where people are not for separating vehicular traffic. According to you I'll need to be in that narrow median strip for shade. Come on mate!As far as I've seen and experienced, entering and exiting the carpark has never been so easy. I think condensing the amount of road traffic in Gawler place has done wonders for this carpark because they don't have to compete with people whizzing in to drop someone off, taxis etc. It's now primarily for access to the carpark. Your argument contradicts itself because on one hand you're saying the mall needs shade, they plant trees and you complain about losing a lane for traffic? Make up your mind.
Trees don't just provide shade they provide oxygen too.Ho Really wrote: ↑Tue Dec 17, 2019 11:37 pmAs a matter of fact no. Obviously many here aren't interested in criticism. I have explained why it is a waste of money, etc.
So it wasn't easier before with two lanes? No my argument doesn't contradict itself. The trees for shade should be where people are not for separating vehicular traffic. According to you I'll need to be in that narrow median strip for shade. Come on mate!As far as I've seen and experienced, entering and exiting the carpark has never been so easy. I think condensing the amount of road traffic in Gawler place has done wonders for this carpark because they don't have to compete with people whizzing in to drop someone off, taxis etc. It's now primarily for access to the carpark. Your argument contradicts itself because on one hand you're saying the mall needs shade, they plant trees and you complain about losing a lane for traffic? Make up your mind.
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Directly shading pedestrians is just one of the benefits of increased greenery in cities. More trees also improve air quality, shade the road and lower parts of structures (reducing radiant heat from them) and generally improve local micro-climates.Ho Really wrote: ↑Tue Dec 17, 2019 11:37 pm[
So it wasn't easier before with two lanes? No my argument doesn't contradict itself. The trees for shade should be where people are not for separating vehicular traffic. According to you I'll need to be in that narrow median strip for shade. Come on mate!
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