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[COM] Re: Festival Plaza Redevelopment | $800 million

#226 Post by Patrick_27 » Tue Jan 12, 2016 7:15 pm

Will wrote:3) Height

40 000 sqm2 is a huge amount of office space in the Adelaide market. For such an amount of floor space, we should be getting something taller than 26 levels. In fact why not aim for a new tallest?
WHY?

Seriously, just because this is a development forum does NOT mean that we should:

1. Support the construction of every high-rise building in any location of the CBD.
2. Constantly demand that a new tallest be built.

Incase you haven't realised we already have a proposal for a new tallest building in Adelaide, which will actually serve a required purpose in this city (apartments and hotel) and how's that going? Oh, it's not yet.

This remains to be the most unnecessary high rise proposal in Adelaide's history.

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#227 Post by Cranjer » Tue Jan 12, 2016 7:34 pm

To be fair, I think the government are doing all they can to actually attract commercial development and probably aren't in a position to be too fussy about putting restrictions on the floorspace. It is pretty self evident that Walker Corp will want to gain as much return as possible on their (fairly significant) investment. In reality, the overall design of the square looks great, the lane alongside Sean' Kitchen / Casino will be a HUGE improvement and the building is a fairly classic and timeless (albeit safe) design that will probably age quite well. Massive improvement on what we have now for very little cost to taxpayers, and well worth giving up a small amount of public-owned space IMO.

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[COM] Re: Festival Plaza Redevelopment | $800 million

#228 Post by Jaymz » Tue Jan 12, 2016 8:32 pm

My 2 cents worth........


1. I actually don't mind the design of that high rise in the render, it's neither totally boring or offensive.

2. This should not be the location for a new tallest tower for Adelaide. It would look ridiculous there, unless it was
some awe inspiring piece that any city would die for.

3. 40,000sqm of office space probably represents well over a years worth of new office space demand........ way too much.

4. I love this city of course, but it annoys me that almost any large scale private sector investment needs to be shored-up, pre-committed by,
back door guaranteed, financially backed by the State Govt just to get it off the ground.

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#229 Post by Waewick » Tue Jan 12, 2016 8:49 pm

if its on public land it needs to at least look nice.

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#230 Post by Jaymz » Tue Jan 12, 2016 8:56 pm

Waewick wrote:if its on public land it needs to at least look nice.

Yep, agreed. But I'm talking more about the State Govt. leasing the new office tower, only because they wouldn't be able to find enough private
companies wanting to pay top dollar for some new office space :wink:

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#231 Post by ml69 » Tue Jan 12, 2016 9:14 pm

OlympusAnt wrote:Just seems like a waste of money
Based on what?

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#232 Post by OlympusAnt » Tue Jan 12, 2016 9:54 pm

Is it privately funded?
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#233 Post by Cranjer » Tue Jan 12, 2016 10:43 pm

Jaymz wrote:
Waewick wrote:if its on public land it needs to at least look nice.

Yep, agreed. But I'm talking more about the State Govt. leasing the new office tower, only because they wouldn't be able to find enough private
companies wanting to pay top dollar for some new office space :wink:
It looks fine. If you are worried about postcard shots you have bigger fish to fry with the ridiculous mess that is the convention centre. At least we are getting the ball rolling. The approach to the footbridge is hideous. This is what will damage the perceptions of any visitors to our state far more so than the 20 secs of parklands they pass through on the way in from the airport. I think the government well and truly know there are no private companies interested in leasing that amount of space, but they also know that something needs to happen. They are trying to avoid another decade of stagnation

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#234 Post by crawf » Wed Jan 13, 2016 12:20 am

Cranjer wrote: It looks fine. If you are worried about postcard shots you have bigger fish to fry with the ridiculous mess that is the convention centre. At least we are getting the ball rolling. The approach to the footbridge is hideous.
Really?, I tend to disagree. The approach from either end is quite scenic and showcases the riverbank quite nicely IMO.

I feel the cladding is going to either make or break Stage 3 of the Convention Centre.

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#235 Post by crawf » Wed Jan 13, 2016 12:34 am

Looking at this article, it seems that these renders are more focused on the funding from the State Government rather the Walker Corp.

Could be just wishful thinking on my half, though hopefully these are not the final plans for the office tower and retail/dining component :?
Festival Plaza: See the State Government’s ideas for the overhaul
January 12, 2016 10:00pm
http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/sout ... y-comments
Sheradyn Holderhead Political ReporterThe Advertiser

VINE-COVERED pergolas, a boulevard lined with Jacarandas and a pedestrian tunnel featuring shops and cafes are among the State Government’s ideas for the Festival Plaza overhaul.

The Advertiser can now reveal detailed images of the plans to turn the barren concrete jungle into a thriving hub for the riverbank which have been lodged for planning approval.

The Government is giving the public about three weeks to provide feedback on the plans for the space it says will become Adelaide’s “pre-eminent public meeting place”.

Premier Jay Weatherill encouraged people to view the plans and find out more about the elements of the project — which the Government has put $180 million toward — that appeal to them.

“We want to known if people think the designs incorporate enough shade, water and grass to make the space attractive during our hot South Australian summers,” Mr Weatherill said.

In August, the Deputy Premier John Rau released a mud map earmarking the uses for each area within the site before the plans were worked up and submitted to the Development Assessment Commission last month.

“If approved, the plans will see Adelaide Festival Plaza become the city’s pre-eminent public meeting place with more than 25,000sq m of public spaces,” Mr Weatherill said.

“The new plaza will feature public artwork, water features, trees and shrubs as well as ample seating and shelter to make it a year-round destination.

“A new square which can be used for gatherings and events hosting thousands of people will be at the heart of the Festival Plaza.”

A boulevard lined with jacarandas ... an artist’s impression of the plan.
Major changes to the area include:

CREATING a “Walk of Fame” along the northern edge of the Festival Centre which would incorporate stars set into the ground to celebrate past and present performers, similar to the famous Hollywood Walk of Fame.

OPENING a courtyard behind Parliament House to the public.

TURNING Station Rd from a carpark access road into primarily a pedestrian walkway linked with and featuring gardens and seating that would open the space up to restaurants in the ground level of Adelaide Casino.

CONNECTING the footbridge to the railway station with a pedestrian tunnel that will feature space for retail, food and drink stands.

REPLACING the amphitheatre with a new stairway that better connects the new single-level plaza with the riverbank.

Adelaide Casino lodged a development application for its $300 million expansion in November.

The Government expects Walker Corp will soon lodge its application for an underground carpark, office tower and building housing cafes, restaurants and retail stores behind Parliament House.

Festival Centre chief executive Douglas Gautier said he was “particularly excited” about the proposed Walk of Fame which would celebrate the Festival Centre’s rich performing arts history and draw visitors to the area.

“Among the first steps will be the development of the north face of the Festival Centre, including new entrances and a “Walk of Fame” disability access pathway,” he said.

“On the plaza side, the redevelopment will deliver seamless access from the new carpark and the plaza straight into renewed modern foyers with new bars, toilets and patron amenities.”

Riverbank Authority chairman Andrew McEvoy said lodging the development application was the culmination of a lot of work and earlier consultation with the community and riverbank stakeholders.

“The secret to any great public space is that locals love it, use it and take visitors there — and not just on game or event days,” he said.

The public can view the plans at http://www.riverbank.sa.gov.au and images of the overhaul will be displayed around the plaza.

The deadline for written submissions is Thursday February 4.

A public information day will be held on Sunday January 24, to coincide with the final stage of the 2016 Santos Tour Down Under which is based on the riverbank.

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#236 Post by Matt » Wed Jan 13, 2016 2:39 am

Love:
- Station Road
- The curves of the casino extension
- Finally opening Festival Centre up to the river (massive improvement from the rubbish bins and crumbling amphitheatre)
- Dunstan Plaza - this bit looks fantastic.
- The arbours - if done well, these could look fabulous
- New outdoor dining everywhere
- The jacarandas along King William Street
- The railway station underpass, in principle

Loathe:
- The railway station underpass treatment/arches. Ghastly.
- The office tower. Unimaginative, bulky in scale, design not worthy of such a privileged location - hoping this is a government representation rather than a Walker one
- The rooftop terrace looks to have disappeared from the restaurant building (unless it's now covered over?)


More pros than cons for me.

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#237 Post by Pistol » Wed Jan 13, 2016 7:36 am

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#238 Post by SRW » Wed Jan 13, 2016 7:58 am

Tbh, the only elements I like are the pedestrianisation of Station Rd and Dunstan Plaza.

The rest feels unresolved or inadequate.

A lot of that probably has to do with the fact that they're unfortunately not seriously upgrading the festival centre. But also because it feels like they've just plucked out ideas they like from elsewhere and plonked them on the plaza. For instance, the arbour: it looks beautiful but why is it there? There's 'soft edges' and then there's disassociated edges - this looks like it's hiding the activation elements (restaurants/bars) from the plaza.

The station underpass is fine in principle but I'd be disappointed if there's not also access from the plaza level. Which leads to the second problem with this redevelopment: the primacy of private interests in a public space. Both the casino and office developments are encroaching and compromising. I now share the concerns of others that the casino too closely abuts the Dunstan Playhouse interfering with its vista. The office tower is obviously OTT.

If the government were to step back and look at this as sensibly as they did the courthouse proposal and I wonder if they'd conclude it's not value for money. It'd cost more upfront to do it themselves, but we probably have a better long term outcome.
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#239 Post by SouthAussie94 » Wed Jan 13, 2016 2:43 pm

The arbors in the render remind me a little of the Super Tree Grove in Singapore, albeit significantly smaller..

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Creating something similar to this could be a good thing..
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#240 Post by Honey of a City » Wed Jan 13, 2016 2:56 pm

The proposed arbors are one of the highlights of the design. They lend themselves to a variety of planting and lighting options too.

A few similar to those Singapore trees (in scale) would have looked great in Victoria Square, including the elevated walkway. Since we could only afford a half-finished arbor-free version anyway it would be way too much to contemplate.

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