[APP] 75-79 King William Street | 124m | 36 Levels | Hotel

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Not 100% sure what she means
Is it the jutting out square before it transitions?

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Why does a hotel need to have bicycle parking spots reserved for guests?

Thus is surely a bizarre idea, a tourist who wanted to bicycle somewhere would ask the concierge "Where can I hire a bicycle for a day?' No-one expects to find permanent bicycle parks at a hotel, maybe some for the staff ( or in some sort of storage area)
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I agree the guest bike parking is a strange requirement. It can definitely be a plus point for a hotel to have bikes for guests — I’ve used guest bikes at both Ace Hotel in the States and at Hotel Hotel in Canberra — but that should be up to the hotel operator, not a rule coming from planning authorities.
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PeFe wrote:
Mon Apr 26, 2021 1:34 pm
Why does a hotel need to have bicycle parking spots reserved for guests?

Thus is surely a bizarre idea, a tourist who wanted to bicycle somewhere would ask the concierge "Where can I hire a bicycle for a day?' No-one expects to find permanent bicycle parks at a hotel, maybe some for the staff ( or in some sort of storage area)
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Mon Apr 26, 2021 3:43 pm
I agree the guest bike parking is a strange requirement. It can definitely be a plus point for a hotel to have bikes for guests — I’ve used guest bikes at both Ace Hotel in the States and at Hotel Hotel in Canberra — but that should be up to the hotel operator, not a rule coming from planning authorities.
Could they be referring to staff parking their bikes (bicycles) at the hotel? I had a friend who used to be a kitchenhand at the Hilton in Vic Square. He rode his bike to work.

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Ho Really wrote:
Mon Apr 26, 2021 9:00 pm
PeFe wrote:
Mon Apr 26, 2021 1:34 pm
Why does a hotel need to have bicycle parking spots reserved for guests?

Thus is surely a bizarre idea, a tourist who wanted to bicycle somewhere would ask the concierge "Where can I hire a bicycle for a day?' No-one expects to find permanent bicycle parks at a hotel, maybe some for the staff ( or in some sort of storage area)
Nathan wrote:
Mon Apr 26, 2021 3:43 pm
I agree the guest bike parking is a strange requirement. It can definitely be a plus point for a hotel to have bikes for guests — I’ve used guest bikes at both Ace Hotel in the States and at Hotel Hotel in Canberra — but that should be up to the hotel operator, not a rule coming from planning authorities.
Could they be referring to staff parking their bikes (bicycles) at the hotel? I had a friend who used to be a kitchenhand at the Hilton in Vic Square. He rode his bike to work.

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Some tourists want a bike to tootle around for the day, and will hire it for the day. Some will come deliberately to ride the Adelaide Hills or follow the TDU. Their bikes probably cost more than their cars. They aren't putting them in a public-access bike rail. They'll take them in to their rooms.

The requirement was stated as one park per ten guests, and one per 20 staff. I'd expect higher usage of bike parks from staff than guests.
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This one has been approved by SCAP.

https://www.theurbandeveloper.com/artic ... n-approval
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Look forward to seeing this go up. The only thing I would change would be increasing the height of the fins on top of the building. Since they've lost a few floors I assume it would still fit within the height limit and would also add a visual element unique to Adelaide.
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Two things.

If the glazing is highly reflective it could very striking and become a skyline highlight.

In the case they are cheap and we can see the curtains, I pray it’s a nice colour scheme. Because yuck at bright greens purple and blue.
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after reading the article can someone please explain what “no prescribed height limit zone” means exactly. it sounds too obvious but I'm sure I'm missing something..
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aceman wrote:
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after reading the article can someone please explain what “no prescribed height limit zone” means exactly. it sounds too obvious but I'm sure I'm missing something..
Read... it... slowly.

It means exactly what it means.
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aceman wrote:after reading the article can someone please explain what “no prescribed height limit zone” means exactly. it sounds too obvious but I'm sure I'm missing something..
I believe the planning authority has no prescribed height limit but they are still bound by airport flight paths. Been on the forum for years and I have never seen anyone convincingly explain how these work and how strict these are. Does anyone know what would happen if a developer proposed a let’s say, 180m tower in the capital city zone? What would be the likelihood of the airport authority saying it would be fine thus granting approval?
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[Shuz] wrote:
Sat May 01, 2021 9:54 am
aceman wrote:
Fri Apr 30, 2021 8:39 pm
after reading the article can someone please explain what “no prescribed height limit zone” means exactly. it sounds too obvious but I'm sure I'm missing something..
Read... it... slowly.

It means exactly what it means.
condescending response.. very helpful...

thanks cmet for your explanation.
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cmet wrote:
Sat May 01, 2021 10:42 am
aceman wrote:after reading the article can someone please explain what “no prescribed height limit zone” means exactly. it sounds too obvious but I'm sure I'm missing something..
I believe the planning authority has no prescribed height limit but they are still bound by airport flight paths. Been on the forum for years and I have never seen anyone convincingly explain how these work and how strict these are. Does anyone know what would happen if a developer proposed a let’s say, 180m tower in the capital city zone? What would be the likelihood of the airport authority saying it would be fine thus granting approval?
https://www.adelaideairport.com.au/corp ... approvals/ seems to give a reasonable attempt at an explanation. It includes the AHD limits for the Obstacle Limitation Surfaces (OLS) and says "New developments may penetrate the OLS but only in particular locations and if strict requirements are met.".

It includes a much more complex map for the Procedures for Air Navigation Services – Aircraft Operations Surfaces (PANS-OPS) surfaces, but doesn't seem to provide numbers, and says "Any long term intrusions of the PANS-OPS surface are prohibited." If the height of the PANS-OPS surfaces can be changed, it would be a long and expensive process as it might require the resiting and definitely recalibrating of instrument navigation devices.
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timtam20292 wrote:
Wed May 23, 2018 10:37 am
Thanks for the update Ben, fingers crossed it stays that height.
No its shrunk to around 120m
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VinyTapestry849 wrote:
Wed Jun 09, 2021 12:56 pm
timtam20292 wrote:
Wed May 23, 2018 10:37 am
Thanks for the update Ben, fingers crossed it stays that height.
No its shrunk to around 120m
Bugger. Oh well, as long as it doesn’t drop below 100 metres.
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