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#151 Post by Algernon » Sat Oct 31, 2020 8:32 pm

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Notice it says 39 levels, not 35. Slight height increase or shorter levels?
I think the initial articles were bs. Initial reports said 35 levels including podium, but you could count almost that number in the tower proper in the accompanying render. Until we see the DA, we won't know for certain.

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#152 Post by I Follow PAFC » Wed Nov 04, 2020 10:12 am

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CHINESE INVESTOR ABANDONS TOWER PROJECT
CENTRAL MARKET A key player in the $400m Adelaide Central Market Arcade redevelopment has pulled out over negative public comments about its links to China.

https://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/sou ... 93e0e3d476
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[APP] Re: Central Market Arcade Redevelopment | ~ 135m | 35 levels

#153 Post by Alyx » Wed Nov 04, 2020 12:17 pm

I Follow PAFC wrote:
Wed Nov 04, 2020 10:12 am
Behind a paywall.
CHINESE INVESTOR ABANDONS TOWER PROJECT
CENTRAL MARKET A key player in the $400m Adelaide Central Market Arcade redevelopment has pulled out over negative public comments about its links to China.

https://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/sou ... 93e0e3d476
The Advertiser wrote:A Chinese-backed investment company has pulled out of the $400m redevelopment of the Adelaide Central Market Arcade, with the developer vowing the project will proceed.

ICD Property said the decision by Nanshan Singapore followed negative public commentary about the conglomerate’s alleged links to the Chinese government.

Adelaide City councillor Phillip Martin questioned the relationship between former chairman Song Zuowen and the Chinese Communist Party during council meetings and radio interviews in September.

This followed Nanshan becoming a 10 per cent investor in a joint venture between ICD and Adelaide City Council to build two towers on the existing Central Market Arcade site.

ICD Property managing director Matt Khoo on Wednesday morning confirmed the Singapore-based company had withdrawn from the project.

“Nanshan Singapore’s withdrawal comes following negative public statements in various forms which misrepresented their character and brand,” he said.

“As a huge disappointment to South Australia, they have decided to withdraw from the project and focus their energy on the eastern seaboard.

“At a time when the local economy, more than ever, needs strong, consistent investment in the state to drive job growth and retention, this is a regrettable result.”

Mr Khoo described Nanshan Singapore as a “minority equity partner” in the project, which includes 11,172 sqm of retail space, a central hall, public rooftop, child care centre, a 38-storey tower containing a hotel and apartments and another tower with offices.

“This minority investment withdrawal will not impact the project,” said Mr Khoo.

“We are already in conversations with other potential investors to fulfil Nanshan’s previous minority investment commitments.

“However, if necessary, ICD Property will fulfil Nanshan’s previous investment commitment ourselves.”

Mr Khoo said that, “regardless of the outcome”, ICD Property was “fully equipped and able to complete the Central Market Arcade redevelopment in accordance with our obligations as set out under the project delivery agreement entered into with the City of Adelaide”.

A council spokesman said the council would continue working with ICD Property to redevelop the arcade.

“We have developed a trusted and valued partnership with ICD Property throughout the entire process to date,” he said.

“As far as we are concerned it’s all systems go on this city-shaping project and ICD has confirmed its commitment to equity funding.”

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#154 Post by Ben » Wed Nov 04, 2020 12:23 pm

Seems like a nothing article to me.

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#155 Post by citywatcher » Wed Nov 04, 2020 12:50 pm

Ben wrote:Seems like a nothing article to me.
$40m. is not " nothing ".
The Federal government could buy $4m. worth of land with that .

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#156 Post by rev » Wed Nov 04, 2020 2:31 pm

Chinese developer backed out. Good, the less CCP backed investors the better.

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#157 Post by SRW » Wed Nov 04, 2020 3:16 pm

citywatcher wrote:
Wed Nov 04, 2020 12:50 pm
Ben wrote:Seems like a nothing article to me.
$40m. is not " nothing ".
The Federal government could buy $4m. worth of land with that .
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#158 Post by Algernon » Wed Nov 04, 2020 6:14 pm

I Follow PAFC wrote:
Wed Nov 04, 2020 10:12 am
Behind a paywall.
CHINESE INVESTOR ABANDONS TOWER PROJECT
CENTRAL MARKET A key player in the $400m Adelaide Central Market Arcade redevelopment has pulled out over negative public comments about its links to China.

https://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/sou ... 93e0e3d476
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#159 Post by [Shuz] » Thu Nov 05, 2020 7:02 am

Worst case scenario, they just cut 10% of the building off. Who cares about the CCP. We are not going to be bullied into economic coercion.
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#160 Post by Nort » Thu Nov 05, 2020 10:22 am

citywatcher wrote:
Wed Nov 04, 2020 12:50 pm
Ben wrote:Seems like a nothing article to me.
$40m. is not " nothing ".
The Federal government could buy $4m. worth of land with that .

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#161 Post by dbl96 » Fri Nov 06, 2020 6:16 pm

[Shuz] wrote:
Thu Nov 05, 2020 7:02 am
Worst case scenario, they just cut 10% of the building off. Who cares about the CCP. We are not going to be bullied into economic coercion.
rev wrote:
Wed Nov 04, 2020 2:31 pm
Chinese developer backed out. Good, the less CCP backed investors the better.
This is precisely the kind of attitude that has cost us this investment and may well cost us further investment in the future.

Who cares if this project is partly funded by the CCP? This is a commercial development, with absolutely no relevance to Australia's national security.

Australia needs to snap out of this hysteria about China that it has got itself into over the last couple of years. It is completely counterproductive. Yes, we need to defend our values and national security, but we need to be diplomatic about it, rather than saying things that we know will offend, and thereby costing ourselves investment.

Where there is no reason to imagine that either our values or national security will be compromised by an investment, it is completely non-nonsensical to bring those issues up.

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#162 Post by Algernon » Fri Nov 06, 2020 6:24 pm

dbl96 wrote:
Fri Nov 06, 2020 6:16 pm
This is precisely the kind of attitude that has cost us this investment and may well cost us further investment in the future.
Bull.

Shit.

Money doesn't have feelings to be hurt. The investor was never going to come good and found whatever face saving option to get out of the deal.

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#163 Post by Jaymz » Fri Nov 06, 2020 8:02 pm

Australia: We love buying your cheap t-shirts, electronics and cars
China: No worries that's what we do
Australia: Cool, we have more money left over in our pocket
China: Okay, we'd like to invest money in your country
Australia: No you can't, because you're Chinese

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#164 Post by rev » Sat Nov 07, 2020 1:39 pm

dbl96 wrote:
Fri Nov 06, 2020 6:16 pm
[Shuz] wrote:
Thu Nov 05, 2020 7:02 am
Worst case scenario, they just cut 10% of the building off. Who cares about the CCP. We are not going to be bullied into economic coercion.
rev wrote:
Wed Nov 04, 2020 2:31 pm
Chinese developer backed out. Good, the less CCP backed investors the better.
This is precisely the kind of attitude that has cost us this investment and may well cost us further investment in the future.

Who cares if this project is partly funded by the CCP? This is a commercial development, with absolutely no relevance to Australia's national security.

Australia needs to snap out of this hysteria about China that it has got itself into over the last couple of years. It is completely counterproductive. Yes, we need to defend our values and national security, but we need to be diplomatic about it, rather than saying things that we know will offend, and thereby costing ourselves investment.

Where there is no reason to imagine that either our values or national security will be compromised by an investment, it is completely non-nonsensical to bring those issues up.
We don't need foriegn dictatorships that obviously don't share our values for freedom and democratic principles, investing in our country.

All ccp linked investments should be nullified and forfeited.

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#165 Post by dbl96 » Mon Nov 09, 2020 1:04 pm

Algernon wrote:
Fri Nov 06, 2020 6:24 pm
dbl96 wrote:
Fri Nov 06, 2020 6:16 pm
This is precisely the kind of attitude that has cost us this investment and may well cost us further investment in the future.
Bull.

Shit.

Money doesn't have feelings to be hurt. The investor was never going to come good and found whatever face saving option to get out of the deal.
Possibly.

But you can't deny that feelings and emotion are a big part of business. Yes, people normally claim to be economically rational when making business decisions, but in reality they are not. When people become emotional, they react irrationally, even against their own interests.

This is the whole reason why people put effort into developing and maintaining business relationships. It is particularly the case for business in China, where the line between personal and professional lives is much more blurred than it is here.

The situation is compounded for many Chinese businesses because of the complex relationship between business and the state. A business might privately agree with what Councillor Martin said, but they may still act outraged and withdraw from the deal, because if they don't do so, they fear they may face repercussions from the Chinese government. Businesses operating in China have to develop close relationships with the government there, because the government has the power to either put them on the gravy train or give them the cold shoulder. In that sense, it makes rational economic sense for businesses like this to toe the party line, even if they aren't offended themselves.

We have to be aware that there are certain things that really piss off the Chinese government, Chinese businesses and probably the majority of Chinese individuals. We shouldn't tiptoe around discussing the real problems that exist in China, but we also shouldn't deliberately say things that we know (or should know) will piss the Chinese off, when there is no rational reason for doing so.

In the present matter, there is no rational reason to hassle the developer over its Chinese government links. As I said previously, this is a commercial development with no implications for our national security or our values of freedom and democracy.

rev wrote:
Sat Nov 07, 2020 1:39 pm

We don't need foreign dictatorships that obviously don't share our values for freedom and democratic principles, investing in our country.

All ccp linked investments should be nullified and forfeited.
Rev's comments here are a perfect example of, as I discussed previously, how the emotional can trump the rational in economic decision making. The lack of democracy in China may infuriate Australians, but it is of no logical relevance to a decision about whether to exclude commercial investment from China. The fact that money used to buy some steel and cement comes from undemocratic China does not mean that it will magically destroy Australian democracy. It is just money used to buy steel and cement.

On the other hand, it would completely economically irrational to do as Rev suggests and nullify and forfeit all CCP linked investments. A huge amount of investment in Australia, and specifically in Adelaide, comes from Chinese-backed sources. What would we gain by excluding this investment? Absolutely nothing. Excluding Chinese investment would simply result in more sluggish economic growth rates and increased unemployment for South Australia. How is that desirable in any way?

If we want to prevent our democracy being eroded, we need to focus on strengthening our institutions to prevent corruption generally, not by introducing an irrational ban on all things Chinese.

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