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Re: New City Arena

#136 Post by rev » Sun Oct 03, 2021 2:28 pm

NTRabbit wrote:
Sat Oct 02, 2021 1:48 pm
Where was the significant resistance to the Adelaide Oval rebuild? There was a minority section within SACA opposed to it because it looked like (with some justification it turned out) the SACA heads were selling Adelaide Oval to the AFL, in exchange for getting bars and dining rooms named after them, while ignoring the grade cricket disaster, but otherwise I recall the majority of the state being generally in favour of it.
We didn't have a health system in the crisis its in now. We didn't have ambos protesting trying to raise awareness of how bad it is.

We were given two options by the Labor gov and Lib oppo.
Lab said rebuild Adelaide Oval and a new hospital on the raikyarda
Lib said rebuild old RAH and new stadium on rail yards.

Today we have a proposal or vision for a rebuilt Memorial Drive venue at an estimated $250 million.
We have a health care system struggling.

But the Lib gov wants to spend 3 quarters of a billion on a stadium.

Thats why people are opposed. Because health care should take a higher priority from government but this government is putting a higher priority on a stadium.

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Re: New City Arena

#137 Post by A-Town » Sun Oct 03, 2021 2:41 pm

rev wrote:
Sun Oct 03, 2021 2:28 pm
NTRabbit wrote:
Sat Oct 02, 2021 1:48 pm
Where was the significant resistance to the Adelaide Oval rebuild? There was a minority section within SACA opposed to it because it looked like (with some justification it turned out) the SACA heads were selling Adelaide Oval to the AFL, in exchange for getting bars and dining rooms named after them, while ignoring the grade cricket disaster, but otherwise I recall the majority of the state being generally in favour of it.
We didn't have a health system in the crisis its in now. We didn't have ambos protesting trying to raise awareness of how bad it is.

We were given two options by the Labor gov and Lib oppo.
Lab said rebuild Adelaide Oval and a new hospital on the raikyarda
Lib said rebuild old RAH and new stadium on rail yards.

Today we have a proposal or vision for a rebuilt Memorial Drive venue at an estimated $250 million.
We have a health care system struggling.

But the Lib gov wants to spend 3 quarters of a billion on a stadium.

Thats why people are opposed. Because health care should take a higher priority from government but this government is putting a higher priority on a stadium.
So we should trust the party who closed the Repat to suddenly fix the health system? Didn't they have 15 odd years in power to do that? Ramping was happening under Labor in SA and it happens in every state in Australia. In fact, WA had their worst ramping figures on record in August. Not much of a political issue over there because there's no election coming up though.

The new arena looks great and will eventually pay for itself. The investment in a new arena like this is necessary as we risk being the only capital city in the mainland without a modern 10-15k capacity arena.

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Re: New City Arena

#138 Post by gnrc_louis » Sun Oct 03, 2021 3:27 pm

A-Town wrote:
Sun Oct 03, 2021 2:41 pm
rev wrote:
Sun Oct 03, 2021 2:28 pm
NTRabbit wrote:
Sat Oct 02, 2021 1:48 pm
Where was the significant resistance to the Adelaide Oval rebuild? There was a minority section within SACA opposed to it because it looked like (with some justification it turned out) the SACA heads were selling Adelaide Oval to the AFL, in exchange for getting bars and dining rooms named after them, while ignoring the grade cricket disaster, but otherwise I recall the majority of the state being generally in favour of it.
We didn't have a health system in the crisis its in now. We didn't have ambos protesting trying to raise awareness of how bad it is.

We were given two options by the Labor gov and Lib oppo.
Lab said rebuild Adelaide Oval and a new hospital on the raikyarda
Lib said rebuild old RAH and new stadium on rail yards.

Today we have a proposal or vision for a rebuilt Memorial Drive venue at an estimated $250 million.
We have a health care system struggling.

But the Lib gov wants to spend 3 quarters of a billion on a stadium.

Thats why people are opposed. Because health care should take a higher priority from government but this government is putting a higher priority on a stadium.
So we should trust the party who closed the Repat to suddenly fix the health system? Didn't they have 15 odd years in power to do that? Ramping was happening under Labor in SA and it happens in every state in Australia. In fact, WA had their worst ramping figures on record in August. Not much of a political issue over there because there's no election coming up though.

The new arena looks great and will eventually pay for itself. The investment in a new arena like this is necessary as we risk being the only capital city in the mainland without a modern 10-15k capacity arena.
I will make this point again, how do we know this arena will "pay for itself"? This presumption that suddenly major conferences will happen again once Covid eases - which is what the this arena needs to be viable, is a massive risk. Things in the corporate world didn't just go back to how they were post GFC, so what makes the government so sure they will after Covid?

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Re: New City Arena

#139 Post by Brucetiki » Thu Oct 07, 2021 12:12 pm

A-Town wrote:
Sun Oct 03, 2021 2:41 pm
rev wrote:
Sun Oct 03, 2021 2:28 pm
NTRabbit wrote:
Sat Oct 02, 2021 1:48 pm
Where was the significant resistance to the Adelaide Oval rebuild? There was a minority section within SACA opposed to it because it looked like (with some justification it turned out) the SACA heads were selling Adelaide Oval to the AFL, in exchange for getting bars and dining rooms named after them, while ignoring the grade cricket disaster, but otherwise I recall the majority of the state being generally in favour of it.
We didn't have a health system in the crisis its in now. We didn't have ambos protesting trying to raise awareness of how bad it is.

We were given two options by the Labor gov and Lib oppo.
Lab said rebuild Adelaide Oval and a new hospital on the raikyarda
Lib said rebuild old RAH and new stadium on rail yards.

Today we have a proposal or vision for a rebuilt Memorial Drive venue at an estimated $250 million.
We have a health care system struggling.

But the Lib gov wants to spend 3 quarters of a billion on a stadium.

Thats why people are opposed. Because health care should take a higher priority from government but this government is putting a higher priority on a stadium.
So we should trust the party who closed the Repat to suddenly fix the health system? Didn't they have 15 odd years in power to do that? Ramping was happening under Labor in SA and it happens in every state in Australia. In fact, WA had their worst ramping figures on record in August. Not much of a political issue over there because there's no election coming up though.

The new arena looks great and will eventually pay for itself. The investment in a new arena like this is necessary as we risk being the only capital city in the mainland without a modern 10-15k capacity arena.
Correct many artists are bypassing Adelaide because of this (Billie Eilish the latest to bypass us today).

I also can't stand how Labor are dismissing this as a basketball stadium. It's like they've just looked at the price tag, seen the 36ers will play there in future, and are just harping on about this (without acknowledging that this will be a multi-purpose arena).

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Re: New City Arena

#140 Post by rev » Thu Oct 07, 2021 6:04 pm

Artists are not the ones bypassing us.
It is the promoters.

The reason has nothing to do with venues. We have venues.
The reason is money. They don't make money or struggle to make money here. It is what it is.

This also applies to many of the music festivals we used to have, very little profit was made by the Adelaide leg of many of them, at best.

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#141 Post by Jaymz » Thu Oct 07, 2021 8:50 pm

rev wrote:
Thu Oct 07, 2021 6:04 pm
Artists are not the ones bypassing us.
It is the promoters.

The reason has nothing to do with venues. We have venues.
The reason is money. They don't make money or struggle to make money here. It is what it is.

This also applies to many of the music festivals we used to have, very little profit was made by the Adelaide leg of many of them, at best.

That is true. In years gone by, many promoters often judge interest in a tour by the number of pre-sales, and Adelaide is notoriously slow at buying tickets. It's not that we don't, but we often buy them late.

This new venue offers nothing extra to attracting mid-range acts than the current Entertainment Centre, or even Coopers Stadium. The Govt. needs to sell this more to me than bringing in larger acts or more convention space. We already have plenty of that too.

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Re: New City Arena

#142 Post by Patrick_27 » Thu Oct 07, 2021 9:49 pm

Jaymz wrote:
Thu Oct 07, 2021 8:50 pm
rev wrote:
Thu Oct 07, 2021 6:04 pm
Artists are not the ones bypassing us.
It is the promoters.

The reason has nothing to do with venues. We have venues.
The reason is money. They don't make money or struggle to make money here. It is what it is.

This also applies to many of the music festivals we used to have, very little profit was made by the Adelaide leg of many of them, at best.

That is true. In years gone by, many promoters often judge interest in a tour by the number of pre-sales, and Adelaide is notoriously slow at buying tickets. It's not that we don't, but we often buy them late.

This new venue offers nothing extra to attracting mid-range acts than the current Entertainment Centre, or even Coopers Stadium. The Govt. needs to sell this more to me than bringing in larger acts or more convention space. We already have plenty of that too.
All of this. Speaking as someone who worked in the live music industry over in Melbourne for a few years... Promoters bypass Adelaide for a number of reasons but none of them relate to venues quality or capacity (if this were the case Brisbane would never see any national tours - they have easily the worst arena sized venues in the country) but it's all money. For one, (generally speaking) the Adelaide market is completely unreliable in ticket sales; people hold off on buying tickets until the week leading up and their buying habits are based on a variety of factors (be that a lack of disposable income vs. plenty of disposable income at the time OR the weather outside on the night etc). This type of last-minute buying habit works really well for Fringe because every night the performers are waiting for crowds and even if one night sells poorly another two will sell-out. Actual sales in Adelaide never make events above 2,000 PAX or below 35,000/40,000 worthwhile (so 12,000 PAX Entertainment Centre events), so really we already have the venues to cater for the stronger side of the market (Thebby, AEC Theatre, Adelaide Oval, Hindmarsh, Bonython Park etc).

In terms of the big promoters, Frontier Touring are the literal worst for bypassing Adelaide... They shamelessly book the most popular acts (as opposed to more niche acts) and schedule east coast tours where they expect fans everywhere else to travel, despite knowing full well that they would sell-out shows here. Secret Sounds (those promoting Billie Eilish) are the second worst for this but more recently have been collaborating with local promoters who do all the groundwork to get the show to Adelaide. Chugg Entertainment tend to direct the big tours here and bypass us with the smaller shows. Certain promoters more recently have played the tactic of announcing a national tour and excluded Adelaide and only once Melbourne has sold out two or more shows they add an Adelaide show and then blame poor sales in Adelaide to justify bypassing us in the future (when in actual fact, had they announced an Adelaide show from the get-go it likely would have should out it's just that most Adelaide fans already booked for shows elsewhere in the country and weren't able to exchange or get a refund to book locally).

I want to see a new CBD arena, but I genuinely believe the only way for a new arena to gain on the current Entertainment Centre in terms of it's convenience and flow on into the local economy is for it to be at Memorial Drive. Where the Libs have proposed their arena is still very much out of the way for people to get to the night hot-spots post event.

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Re: New City Arena

#143 Post by floplo » Fri Oct 08, 2021 8:01 am


Patrick_27 wrote:
Jaymz wrote:
Thu Oct 07, 2021 8:50 pm
rev wrote:
Thu Oct 07, 2021 6:04 pm
Artists are not the ones bypassing us.
It is the promoters.

The reason has nothing to do with venues. We have venues.
The reason is money. They don't make money or struggle to make money here. It is what it is.

This also applies to many of the music festivals we used to have, very little profit was made by the Adelaide leg of many of them, at best.

That is true. In years gone by, many promoters often judge interest in a tour by the number of pre-sales, and Adelaide is notoriously slow at buying tickets. It's not that we don't, but we often buy them late.

This new venue offers nothing extra to attracting mid-range acts than the current Entertainment Centre, or even Coopers Stadium. The Govt. needs to sell this more to me than bringing in larger acts or more convention space. We already have plenty of that too.

I want to see a new CBD arena, but I genuinely believe the only way for a new arena to gain on the current Entertainment Centre in terms of it's convenience and flow on into the local economy is for it to be at Memorial Drive. Where the Libs have proposed their arena is still very much out of the way for people to get to the night hot-spots post event.
Isn't the proposed arena even closer to Hindley Street than Memorial drive? Or did you have other hot-spots in mind?

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Re: New City Arena

#144 Post by Brucetiki » Fri Oct 08, 2021 3:04 pm

Patrick_27 wrote:
Thu Oct 07, 2021 9:49 pm
I want to see a new CBD arena, but I genuinely believe the only way for a new arena to gain on the current Entertainment Centre in terms of it's convenience and flow on into the local economy is for it to be at Memorial Drive. Where the Libs have proposed their arena is still very much out of the way for people to get to the night hot-spots post event.
It'll be on North Tce. How much closer do you want it to be?

Maybe we should build one in the middle of Victoria Square...

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#145 Post by Patrick_27 » Fri Oct 08, 2021 5:23 pm

Brucetiki wrote:
Fri Oct 08, 2021 3:04 pm
Patrick_27 wrote:
Thu Oct 07, 2021 9:49 pm
I want to see a new CBD arena, but I genuinely believe the only way for a new arena to gain on the current Entertainment Centre in terms of it's convenience and flow on into the local economy is for it to be at Memorial Drive. Where the Libs have proposed their arena is still very much out of the way for people to get to the night hot-spots post event.
It'll be on North Tce. How much closer do you want it to be?

Maybe we should build one in the middle of Victoria Square...
Have you walked from the proposed site to Hindley Street? It must surprise you how non-pedestrian friendly it is. Otherwise the walk from Memorial Drive is quicker and lands you in the heart of the CBD, don't believe me? Try it for yourself.

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#146 Post by mshagg » Tue Oct 12, 2021 9:30 am

rev wrote:
Sun Oct 03, 2021 2:28 pm
NTRabbit wrote:
Sat Oct 02, 2021 1:48 pm
Where was the significant resistance to the Adelaide Oval rebuild? There was a minority section within SACA opposed to it because it looked like (with some justification it turned out) the SACA heads were selling Adelaide Oval to the AFL, in exchange for getting bars and dining rooms named after them, while ignoring the grade cricket disaster, but otherwise I recall the majority of the state being generally in favour of it.
We didn't have a health system in the crisis its in now. We didn't have ambos protesting trying to raise awareness of how bad it is.

We were given two options by the Labor gov and Lib oppo.
Lab said rebuild Adelaide Oval and a new hospital on the raikyarda
Lib said rebuild old RAH and new stadium on rail yards.

Today we have a proposal or vision for a rebuilt Memorial Drive venue at an estimated $250 million.
We have a health care system struggling.

But the Lib gov wants to spend 3 quarters of a billion on a stadium.

Thats why people are opposed. Because health care should take a higher priority from government but this government is putting a higher priority on a stadium.
These are essentially just the talking points of the state opposition. It's good politics but unless we're only interested in staying 'on message' there is scope to unpack it a little further.

Investment in entertainment facilities and (very non-specific) investment in health infrastructure are not mutually exclusive concepts. If we can find 10 billion dollars for South road we can build a stadium and expand the number of acute hospital beds available in the CALHN.

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#147 Post by rev » Tue Oct 12, 2021 6:56 pm

mshagg wrote:
Tue Oct 12, 2021 9:30 am
These are essentially just the talking points of the state opposition. It's good politics but unless we're only interested in staying 'on message' there is scope to unpack it a little further.

Investment in entertainment facilities and (very non-specific) investment in health infrastructure are not mutually exclusive concepts. If we can find 10 billion dollars for South road we can build a stadium and expand the number of acute hospital beds available in the CALHN.
Are they? Maybe the opposition is more in tune with the community then the government is then?

We could have a new stadium, and a better funded health care system.
Except this government is determined to spend three quarters of a billion on a legacy project, that is just a scaled down version of their earlier proposal that was rejected by voters.

They could elect to build the proposal for war memorial drive, and complete that precinct.

And we don't actually need a new venue like this to attract concerts and acts. We have plenty of venues and sites to cater. As explained above it's not a lack of venues that sees us miss out on some artists and tours.

The remainder of south road is a decade long (at least) project. That ten billion or so will be spent over that period, not the 2 years it'll take to build a stadium.

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#148 Post by Algernon » Tue Oct 12, 2021 7:02 pm

liberal labor bullshit

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Re: New City Arena

#149 Post by floplo » Tue Oct 12, 2021 9:32 pm

Patrick_27 wrote:
Fri Oct 08, 2021 5:23 pm
Have you walked from the proposed site to Hindley Street? It must surprise you how non-pedestrian friendly it is. Otherwise the walk from Memorial Drive is quicker and lands you in the heart of the CBD, don't believe me? Try it for yourself.
Actually,I asked because I do walk the exact route fairly frequently....

First, the stadium isn't substantially further from the railroad station (what, 200m and one floor up more?), so that's pretty much a wash. And I assume that they will build some connection to the RAH tram stop, so you get a better public transport connection as well (and maybe even a car park.....)

and yes, the Morphett & Hindley street intersection isn't that great at the moment, but I assume there will be some money in the budget to improve that traffic flow over Morphett street bridge, including pedestrian walkways to the City West tram stop and to Hindley street. There is not that much space but the connection from the intersection to North Terrace in front of the Jam factory building could be reconfigured to improve the pedestrian flow over the bridge. Alternatively, they could run it up on the other side of Morphett along the convention center and then build another footbridge over North terrace effectively to where the church is (it would need a little bit of church land, but should be manageable given that they want to develop the plot behind the church building anyway).

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#150 Post by VinyTapestry849 » Mon Oct 18, 2021 1:37 pm

Can't wait for this new stadium : ), it will enlighten the river bank. That area of the land is degraded as fuck.
Needs to be bulldozed and redeveloped ASAP

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