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The 4000-class trains were manufactured by Bombardier. Perhaps Labor should also explain why it thought a foreign company was a better supplier than an Australian one for those.
Manufactured in Australia at Bombardier’s Dandenong plant (originally owned by Comeng), with a shell based on the locally-designed VLine VLocity trains.
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Spotto wrote:
Sat Sep 19, 2020 1:36 am
SBD wrote:
Sat Sep 19, 2020 12:55 am
The 4000-class trains were manufactured by Bombardier. Perhaps Labor should also explain why it thought a foreign company was a better supplier than an Australian one for those.
Manufactured in Australia at Bombardier’s Dandenong plant (originally owned by Comeng), with a shell based on the locally-designed VLine VLocity trains.
My point was that Labor is calling Keolis Downer a "foreign company" because of the Keolis part of the joint venture. Downer is an Australian company which also makes trains in Australia.
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Well all this privatization is a bit of a downer. :lol:
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SBD wrote:
Sat Sep 19, 2020 11:32 am
Spotto wrote:
Sat Sep 19, 2020 1:36 am
SBD wrote:
Sat Sep 19, 2020 12:55 am
The 4000-class trains were manufactured by Bombardier. Perhaps Labor should also explain why it thought a foreign company was a better supplier than an Australian one for those.
Manufactured in Australia at Bombardier’s Dandenong plant (originally owned by Comeng), with a shell based on the locally-designed VLine VLocity trains.
My point was that Labor is calling Keolis Downer a "foreign company" because of the Keolis part of the joint venture. Downer is an Australian company which also makes trains in Australia.
Just on that point, what a pity electrification staging did not proceed in an orderly timeframe, allowing for the state government to bring at least assembly work for trains to Adelaide. In WA the state has commenced train construction for the pipeline of new cars required for the airport line, the Ellenbrook line and the Thornlie spur line. This is really no different to Adelaides requirements for Gawler, O.H.and Flinders spur. It could have provided work for Holden ex employees, and trained up a new workforce in higher end manufacturing- even if not as cheap as tacking them on to a Victorian order.
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claybro wrote:
SBD wrote:
Sat Sep 19, 2020 11:32 am
Spotto wrote:
Sat Sep 19, 2020 1:36 am
Manufactured in Australia at Bombardier’s Dandenong plant (originally owned by Comeng), with a shell based on the locally-designed VLine VLocity trains.
My point was that Labor is calling Keolis Downer a "foreign company" because of the Keolis part of the joint venture. Downer is an Australian company which also makes trains in Australia.
Just on that point, what a pity electrification staging did not proceed in an orderly timeframe, allowing for the state government to bring at least assembly work for trains to Adelaide. In WA the state has commenced train construction for the pipeline of new cars required for the airport line, the Ellenbrook line and the Thornlie spur line. This is really no different to Adelaides requirements for Gawler, O.H.and Flinders spur. It could have provided work for Holden ex employees, and trained up a new workforce in higher end manufacturing- even if not as cheap as tacking them on to a Victorian order.
I agree, but this probably could have happened if Tony Abbott didn't rip out funding for electrification in 2013.
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ChillyPhilly wrote:
Tue Sep 22, 2020 9:55 am
claybro wrote:
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Sat Sep 19, 2020 11:32 am


My point was that Labor is calling Keolis Downer a "foreign company" because of the Keolis part of the joint venture. Downer is an Australian company which also makes trains in Australia.
Just on that point, what a pity electrification staging did not proceed in an orderly timeframe, allowing for the state government to bring at least assembly work for trains to Adelaide. In WA the state has commenced train construction for the pipeline of new cars required for the airport line, the Ellenbrook line and the Thornlie spur line. This is really no different to Adelaides requirements for Gawler, O.H.and Flinders spur. It could have provided work for Holden ex employees, and trained up a new workforce in higher end manufacturing- even if not as cheap as tacking them on to a Victorian order.
I agree, but this probably could have happened if Tony Abbott didn't rip out funding for electrification in 2013.
yes yes Tony Abbot. :roll: Still partly the fault of the state government for not using the allocated funds, which were dependant on state co-allocation, and itself delaying the rollout of electrification. It was not following its own timeline either for Gawler or OH. There is no way known now under the Marshall government there will be anywhere near the attention to rail to make any case for railcars to be assembled in SA unfortunately, because it would create a great source of manufacturing jobs as do the submarines and bus manufacture in Adelaide.
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The State Government were certainly not innocent in the matter, but it was a co-funded project and had already been delayed since 2008. This time around, the Weatherill Government went it alone with the Gawler project.
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The Gawler line was funded equally by the Federal and state governments.

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The funding is entirely political, state Labor weren't too concerned with it going ahead or not because Gawler Line runs mostly through safe Labor seats, the Libs want to win these seats so they are funding it. Either way, at-least it's happening.
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SBD wrote:
Sat Sep 19, 2020 11:32 am
Spotto wrote:
Sat Sep 19, 2020 1:36 am
SBD wrote:
Sat Sep 19, 2020 12:55 am
The 4000-class trains were manufactured by Bombardier. Perhaps Labor should also explain why it thought a foreign company was a better supplier than an Australian one for those.
Manufactured in Australia at Bombardier’s Dandenong plant (originally owned by Comeng), with a shell based on the locally-designed VLine VLocity trains.
My point was that Labor is calling Keolis Downer a "foreign company" because of the Keolis part of the joint venture. Downer is an Australian company which also makes trains in Australia.
Keolis owns 51% of the Keolis Downer subsidiary. Keolis is 70% French controlled, 30% Canadian. Could be worse, could be a communist Chinese company.

Politicians are untrustworthy opportunistic parasites. Labor complaining about this, but didn't they bring in a Victorian firm to do the North Tce tram extension? Not to mention how many interstate workers were brought in for the nRAH build (as opposed to employing or training locals for the work).
It's all "support local jobs and industry" when in opposition because they think it will win them votes, until they're in government and then.......
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rev wrote:
SBD wrote:
Sat Sep 19, 2020 11:32 am
Spotto wrote:
Sat Sep 19, 2020 1:36 am
Manufactured in Australia at Bombardier’s Dandenong plant (originally owned by Comeng), with a shell based on the locally-designed VLine VLocity trains.
My point was that Labor is calling Keolis Downer a "foreign company" because of the Keolis part of the joint venture. Downer is an Australian company which also makes trains in Australia.
Keolis owns 51% of the Keolis Downer subsidiary. Keolis is 70% French controlled, 30% Canadian. Could be worse, could be a communist Chinese company.

Politicians are untrustworthy opportunistic parasites. Labor complaining about this, but didn't they bring in a Victorian firm to do the North Tce tram extension? Not to mention how many interstate workers were brought in for the nRAH build (as opposed to employing or training locals for the work).
It's all "support local jobs and industry" when in opposition because they think it will win them votes, until they're in government and then.......
You’re really not a fan of the Chinese are ya
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Spotto wrote:
Sat Sep 19, 2020 1:36 am
Manufactured in Australia at Bombardier’s Dandenong plant (originally owned by Comeng), with a shell based on the locally-designed VLine VLocity trains.
That's unfortunate. They used to be able to manufacture railcars in South Australia.
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Lend Lease who are doing the Gawler line have now been taken over by Acciona, a Spanish company.
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rev wrote:
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Lend Lease who are doing the Gawler line have now been taken over by Acciona, a Spanish company.
That would explain the presence of Acciona rather than Lendlease vehicles around the works in the last few days. The acquisition of the Lendlease engineering arm was completed last month https://www.acciona.com.au/pressroom/ne ... -business/ .

The level of activity on the Gawler electrification project is being stepped up. Up to now rail closures have been confined to weekday late evenings, weekends (sport permitting) and school holidays. However the present two week closure between Adelaide and Salisbury is being extended from Monday until Christmas and from the summary of future closures it looks as if substitute buses will be running on some section of the line right through to October 2021 https://adelaidemetro.com.au/Announceme ... e-closures . From Monday until mid December there will also be late night and weekend closures of the Outer Harbor and Grange lines . I guess this will allow Platforms 5-9 at ARS to be wired.
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Taken from said substitute bus! Not a great photo.Image
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