News & Discussion: O-Bahn

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Re: News & Discussion: O-Bahn

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Goodsy wrote:
Sun Aug 30, 2020 1:01 pm
1NEEDS2POST wrote:
Thu Dec 05, 2019 6:20 am

Park and ride just pushes the traffic jam back into the suburbs. The area surrounding O-Bahn stops should be transit-oriented developments. This is expensive real estate and car parks are for inexpensive real estate!
transforming it into a TOD wouldn't suddenly make everyone who currently uses Paradise to move into apartments within walking distance... People would still drive and park
Yes but where do the people who will use the car park live?.....Probably where the "through" buses are travelling to....

The new car park further pushes the functionality of the O-Bahn towards "park and ride" like a light rail/train line.....
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Goodsy wrote:
Sun Aug 30, 2020 1:01 pm
1NEEDS2POST wrote:
Thu Dec 05, 2019 6:20 am

Park and ride just pushes the traffic jam back into the suburbs. The area surrounding O-Bahn stops should be transit-oriented developments. This is expensive real estate and car parks are for inexpensive real estate!
transforming it into a TOD wouldn't suddenly make everyone who currently uses Paradise to move into apartments within walking distance... People would still drive and park
One of the benefits of O-Bahn is that buses can leave the O-Bahn track and drive through the suburbs. People shouldn't need to drive to the O-Bahn when they should be able to get a bus to the O-Bahn and beyond.
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1NEEDS2POST wrote:
Wed Sep 02, 2020 10:00 pm
Goodsy wrote:
Sun Aug 30, 2020 1:01 pm
1NEEDS2POST wrote:
Thu Dec 05, 2019 6:20 am

Park and ride just pushes the traffic jam back into the suburbs. The area surrounding O-Bahn stops should be transit-oriented developments. This is expensive real estate and car parks are for inexpensive real estate!
transforming it into a TOD wouldn't suddenly make everyone who currently uses Paradise to move into apartments within walking distance... People would still drive and park
One of the benefits of O-Bahn is that buses can leave the O-Bahn track and drive through the suburbs. People shouldn't need to drive to the O-Bahn when they should be able to get a bus to the O-Bahn and beyond.
The issue then becomes a matter of convenience - do you wait 30 minutes for the bus at your doorstep to rock up, or drive 5-10 minutes to an interchange, and then wait a couple of minutes for any O-Bahn bus to to take you into town. Or, conversely with the current set up, get an O-Bahn to one of the interchanges, and hope there's a connecting bus there for the local route home.
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Brucetiki wrote:
Thu Sep 03, 2020 12:17 pm
1NEEDS2POST wrote:
Wed Sep 02, 2020 10:00 pm
Goodsy wrote:
Sun Aug 30, 2020 1:01 pm


transforming it into a TOD wouldn't suddenly make everyone who currently uses Paradise to move into apartments within walking distance... People would still drive and park
One of the benefits of O-Bahn is that buses can leave the O-Bahn track and drive through the suburbs. People shouldn't need to drive to the O-Bahn when they should be able to get a bus to the O-Bahn and beyond.
The issue then becomes a matter of convenience - do you wait 30 minutes for the bus at your doorstep to rock up, or drive 5-10 minutes to an interchange, and then wait a couple of minutes for any O-Bahn bus to to take you into town. Or, conversely with the current set up, get an O-Bahn to one of the interchanges, and hope there's a connecting bus there for the local route home.
I would say that 50% of the buses that traverse the O-Bahn are in Go-Zones...15 minute daytime service (more frequent at peak hours) and 30 minutes at night.

I cant wait for the car park at the Paradise Interchange to open and watch the local residents squeal about all the traffic that has descended upon their area.
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A lot of people drive to the O'Bahn because it's quicker, look at Athelstone, if you live near the shops you have to get a 178 bus in the wrong direction to get to Paradise (theres a few direct peak hour 579 buses) it would take 25min on the bus v 7min in the car to get to Paradise. A lot of the feeder buses for the closer suburbs are too windy and slow. The 500 / 501 routes on the other hand are direct and have few stops, it gets you to Ingle Farm in only 25min v an on road 203 which takes 40min+.
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PeFe wrote:
Thu Sep 03, 2020 2:31 pm
Brucetiki wrote:
Thu Sep 03, 2020 12:17 pm
1NEEDS2POST wrote:
Wed Sep 02, 2020 10:00 pm


One of the benefits of O-Bahn is that buses can leave the O-Bahn track and drive through the suburbs. People shouldn't need to drive to the O-Bahn when they should be able to get a bus to the O-Bahn and beyond.
The issue then becomes a matter of convenience - do you wait 30 minutes for the bus at your doorstep to rock up, or drive 5-10 minutes to an interchange, and then wait a couple of minutes for any O-Bahn bus to to take you into town. Or, conversely with the current set up, get an O-Bahn to one of the interchanges, and hope there's a connecting bus there for the local route home.
I would say that 50% of the buses that traverse the O-Bahn are in Go-Zones...15 minute daytime service (more frequent at peak hours) and 30 minutes at night.

I cant wait for the car park at the Paradise Interchange to open and watch the local residents squeal about all the traffic that has descended upon their area.
Hasn't the car park already opened.
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TorrensSA wrote:
Thu Sep 03, 2020 3:26 pm
A lot of people drive to the O'Bahn because it's quicker, look at Athelstone, if you live near the shops you have to get a 178 bus in the wrong direction to get to Paradise (theres a few direct peak hour 579 buses) it would take 25min on the bus v 7min in the car to get to Paradise. A lot of the feeder buses for the closer suburbs are too windy and slow. The 500 / 501 routes on the other hand are direct and have few stops, it gets you to Ingle Farm in only 25min v an on road 203 which takes 40min+.
When I lived in Newton we had 176, 177, 576, 577
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Paradise already had 3 very significant park n ride carparks on both sides of Darley Road.
Darley Road was also always lined both sides of the road with cars on the street for about 1km from the Interchange.

I don't think locals would notice the difference.
Cars will continue to be everywhere near the Interchange.

It sounds to me that some here are underestimating just how busy Paradise Interchange already was. The car park wasn't being proactively built to try and bring people to the interchange. It is a reactive build to try and cope with the mass of users that are already there.
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At what point did an O-Bahn extension to Golden Grove need the acquisition of 41 dwellings?

Have I been living under a rock or did the project change overnight?

Either way, the Libs have predictably canned it.
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