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Saltwater wrote:
Mon Sep 14, 2020 4:12 pm
Maybe in the longer term a bus-only tunnel underneath Currie and Greenfell streets would work. I think there is a similar concept in Seattle. Here it could link up with the Obahn tunnel that emerges near East Terrace, and carry people across the CBD with stops near Rundle Street, KWS for tram connections, near Leigh St for connections to the train, and a few other stops. In the west buses could then head to the airport, Henley Beach Road and Grange Roads with frequent services. This would free up space at ground level for cars, bikes and / or pedestrians, and hopefully allow for a few trees to be planted as well.
There are similar bus tunnels in Brisbane. They have two terminal bus stations that are underground in the CBD. Brisbane has a big system of busways that feed into these bus stations.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Queen_Street_bus_station
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_Geor ... ay_station

The O-Bahn tunnel was very cheap by tunnel standards at $160 million. The length of Grenfell/Currie is double that, but there are more services to relocate and construction would be more disruptive. Still, a Grenfell/Currie bus tunnel would make financial sense. This could be combined with a narrowing of the street (since there would be less bus traffic), wider footpaths and more landscaping.
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Mon Sep 14, 2020 8:31 am
It need have no more impact to Gawler Place than to any of the other cross streets (Pultney, Frome etc), but it's worth noting Gawler Place is already a cul de sac -- it (rightly) stops dead at the mall.

Also, I doubt there's need to worry about trams. If there's ever a tram from Henley, it would more probably join a city loop at Morphett St rather than traverse the length of Currie/Grenfell.
Again, what possible difference could it make? You simply run trams and buses in the same lane like is done elsewhere in the world...and should have been done on Port Road and North Terrace, taking buses out of the other lanes: a win for motorists, and for bus travellers who would get a faster ride.
There is a problem with running buses and trams near CBD bus stops that makes them incompatible. When a tram comes to a tram stop, it just stops in its own track. Take a look at the bus stops in Grenfell/Currie. Buses don't just stop in their lane on the road, they pull over to the kerb. So there are two lanes for the bus stop: one for buses to stop in, the other for buses to move and overtake other buses.

On low traffic routes, buses can stop in the bus lane like a tram, but in the CBD where there are many bus routes converging, it's too hard. Buses need the ability to overtake. It also lets the multiple bus routes have their own stops in the same street, which is what we see in Currie/Grenfell.
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1NEEDS2POST wrote:
Fri Sep 18, 2020 7:29 pm
Saltwater wrote:
Mon Sep 14, 2020 4:12 pm
Maybe in the longer term a bus-only tunnel underneath Currie and Greenfell streets would work. I think there is a similar concept in Seattle. Here it could link up with the Obahn tunnel that emerges near East Terrace, and carry people across the CBD with stops near Rundle Street, KWS for tram connections, near Leigh St for connections to the train, and a few other stops. In the west buses could then head to the airport, Henley Beach Road and Grange Roads with frequent services. This would free up space at ground level for cars, bikes and / or pedestrians, and hopefully allow for a few trees to be planted as well.
There is are similar bus tunnels in Brisbane. They have two terminal bus stations that are underground in the CBD. Brisbane has a big system of busways that feed into these bus stations.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Queen_Street_bus_station
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_Geor ... ay_station

The O-Bahn tunnel was very cheap by tunnel standards at $160 million. The length of Grenfell/Currie is double that, but there are more services to relocate and construction would be more disruptive. Still, a Grenfell/Currie bus tunnel would make financial sense. This could be combined with a narrowing of the street (since there would be less bus traffic), wider footpaths and more landscaping.
rubberman wrote:
Mon Sep 14, 2020 8:48 am
SRW wrote:
Mon Sep 14, 2020 8:31 am
It need have no more impact to Gawler Place than to any of the other cross streets (Pultney, Frome etc), but it's worth noting Gawler Place is already a cul de sac -- it (rightly) stops dead at the mall.

Also, I doubt there's need to worry about trams. If there's ever a tram from Henley, it would more probably join a city loop at Morphett St rather than traverse the length of Currie/Grenfell.
Again, what possible difference could it make? You simply run trams and buses in the same lane like is done elsewhere in the world...and should have been done on Port Road and North Terrace, taking buses out of the other lanes: a win for motorists, and for bus travellers who would get a faster ride.
There is a problem with running buses and trams near CBD bus stops that makes them incompatible. When a tram comes to a tram stop, it just stops in its own track. Take a look at the bus stops in Grenfell/Currie. Buses don't just stop in their lane on the road, they pull over to the kerb. So there are two lanes for the bus stop: one for buses to stop in, the other for buses to move and overtake other buses.

On low traffic routes, buses can stop in the bus lane like a tram, but in the CBD where there are many bus routes converging, it's too hard. Buses need the ability to overtake. It also lets the multiple bus routes have their own stops in the same street, which is what we see in Currie/Grenfell.
Why can't the buses use the tram track to overtake? It's just another lane.
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Eurostar wrote:
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Well, well overdue. The interchange should be moved to the new Flinders Station anyway.
By the looks of the animation there will be a bus stop under the viaduct on Main South Road
If you drive through Darlington you can see the northbound and southbound Stop 27 Main South Road being finished off. They’re located between Sturt Rd and Flinders Drive and are intended to be an interface between MSR buses and Flinders station.
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rubberman wrote:
Fri Sep 18, 2020 9:48 pm
Why can't the buses use the tram track to overtake? It's just another lane.
Trams stop in the tram lane, which prevents buses from overtaking. A potential solution might be to have an overtaking lane for trams and buses, but move the tram stop to a side lane too. Trams would get out of the overtaking lane just for the stop, then merge back into the overtaking lane after the stop.
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1NEEDS2POST wrote:
Sat Sep 19, 2020 1:51 am
rubberman wrote:
Fri Sep 18, 2020 9:48 pm
Why can't the buses use the tram track to overtake? It's just another lane.
Trams stop in the tram lane, which prevents buses from overtaking. A potential solution might be to have an overtaking lane for trams and buses, but move the tram stop to a side lane too. Trams would get out of the overtaking lane just for the stop, then merge back into the overtaking lane after the stop.


I'm sorry, but I don't quite understand.

Obviously at peak hours all lanes are somewhat congested. So, a second lane can obviously have other vehicles in it, be those trams or buses. Just as a bus driver will not pull out if another bus is passing, or if another bus is stopped in the other lane, there's no difference because the other vehicle is a tram. If there's no tram or bus in the other lane, a bus driver can move into the lane. If there's a bus there, or a tram, they cannot pull out.
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Grenfell/Currie should be a transit mall.

3 lanes in each direction......inside lane can be light rail, footpath lane can be bus stops, middle lane will be for buses, taxis and delivery vehicles only.

Building a tunnel under Grenfell/Currie is extremely expensive and unnecessary.......regular car traffic can use other streets.
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Holidays/Christmas bus timetables released
Festive season bus and tram services
When: From Tuesday 29 December 2020 to Thursday 31 December 2020

Adelaide Metro advises that tram and some bus services will be reduced this holiday season from Tuesday 29 December 2020 to Thursday 31 December 2020 (inclusive).

Every year bus and tram services are reduced over the Christmas/New Year period due to significantly lower than normal patronage of up to 50% less passengers in late December.

Festive season bus and tram services will operate on the following days:

Tuesday 29
Wednesday 30
Thursday 31
Services will operate to the normal public holiday timetable on:

Friday 25 December (Christmas Day)
Monday 28 December (Proclamation Day holiday)
Friday 1 January (New Year’s Day)
Festive season timetables 29, 30 & 31 December
Timetable Festive season service routes
Hills 839, 839R, 861, 863, 863F, T840, 840X
South 721, 721F, 722, 733, 745A, 747A, 750A, 750R, 751A, 752, 755, T721
North 222, 224, 224M, 225, 225M, 228, 229, 400, 401, 403, 404, 405, 411, 415, 421, 430, 440, 441, 442, 443, 451, 452, 461, 462, 491, 492, 493, 494, 495, 560, 565, 566, 900
Outer North East 500, 501, 502, 503, 506, 507, 528, 530, 540, 541, 542, 543, 544, 545, 546, 548, 556, 557, 559, 578, 591A, 591C, C1, C2, G40, J1, J2, M44
East - West & North - South 98A, 100, 101, 106, 110, 112, 115, 117, 118, 140, 141, 142, 144, 147, 150, 155, 157, 163, 167, 168, 170, 171, 172, 173, 174, 176, 178, 190, 195, 196, 197X, 200, 202, 203, 206, 208, 209F, 230, 232, 235, 238, 239, 241, 245, 248, 251, 252, 253, 253X, 254, 254X, 262, 263, 265, 271, 273, 281, 286, 287, 288, 300, 320, 333, 361, 371, 372, 376, 579, 580, 600, 601, 605, 645, 646, C1, C2, G10, G20, G21, G22X, G30F, H20, H21, H22, H23, H24, H30, H32, H33, J1, J2, J7, J8, M44, W90, W91, X30
Trams Glenelg

Please note:
Trains will operate to their normal timetable
Festive season bus and tram services will not impact events at Adelaide Oval of New Year’s Eve with additional services to run as normal.
See separate web pages prior to these events for travel details.
For bus services not listed
Services not listed will operate to their standard weekday, weekend and public holiday timetable, depending on the day.

Please check your normal timetable for details.

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Get your festive season travel advice from your favourite Adelaide Metro endorsed app – Transit, Moovit or NextThere.

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Has anyone seen the new mini Adelaide Metro buses? I don't mean the existing small buses they used which were the Mitsubishi Fuso's.

I mean completely new mini buses, same width as a regular bus but about half the size. I saw a couple this week, looking flash and brand new in South Adelaide. Just very weird and unusual looking. Tried to find more information about them but havnt been able to find anything online.
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Mt Barker on demand bus services extended to Littlehampton and Nairne.
Mount Barker including Littlehampton and Nairne

The Keoride On Demand Public Transport trial service in Mount Barker is being extended to June 2021. From Monday 18 January, the Mount Barker On Demand service area will now include Littlehampton and Nairne. From this date, service fares will align with the Adelaide Metro Fare structure.

Payment for services can be made using your metroCARD or credit card via the app, however passengers wishing to transfer to Adelaide Metro services must pay for their On Demand trip using their metroCARD to take advantage of the 2 hour free transfer feature.

Passengers choosing to use their credit card to pay for their On Demand Journey will be able to transfer to their next On Demand service (within two hours), however, will not be able to transfer free onto an Adelaide Metro service.

New Service Area from Monday 18 January 2021

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HeapsGood wrote:
Fri Jan 15, 2021 1:47 pm
Has anyone seen the new mini Adelaide Metro buses? I don't mean the existing small buses they used which were the Mitsubishi Fuso's.

I mean completely new mini buses, same width as a regular bus but about half the size. I saw a couple this week, looking flash and brand new in South Adelaide. Just very weird and unusual looking. Tried to find more information about them but havnt been able to find anything online.
Like this https://www.hino.com.au/buses/hino-poncho/? Busways have three, 2861-3, which were used on Woodland Pk - Clovelly Pk until Flinders Line opened.
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https://www.busnews.com.au/industry-new ... hybrid-bus

Found this on the Bus Australia Forum - an article about the new O-Babb hybrid buses.
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Bus service changes
When: From Tuesday 26 January 2021

Many Adelaide Metro bus services will have timetable changes from Tuesday 26 January.

Running times, timing point changes and timetable layout changes only.
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Jacob_ULG3 wrote:
Mon Jan 25, 2021 12:28 am
Bus shouting out this forum
Many old destos programmed in still , for example ones like Elizabeth Oval, Norwood Oval etc which might of been used for SANFL
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Eurostar wrote:
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Jacob_ULG3 wrote:
Mon Jan 25, 2021 12:28 am
Bus shouting out this forum
Many old destos programmed in still , for example ones like Elizabeth Oval, Norwood Oval etc which might of been used for SANFL
I reckon they would be the old Football Park services - back when they charged a premium to use the services, didn't have route numbers, and were very poorly patronised.
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