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#5296 Post by Furyan » Sun Sep 26, 2021 5:22 pm

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Sun Sep 26, 2021 10:31 am
I'm assuming that Jarvis toyota will have to go as well. is this correct?
Yes Jarvis Toyota will have to go eventually. The saw tooth building next to it can stay as the corridor is wide enough at that point.

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#5297 Post by Ozbear73 » Wed Sep 29, 2021 9:13 am

If someone has any access to this morning’s Advertiser piece on the announcement of Glandore property acquisitions for the T2D, that would be greatly appreciated 🙏

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#5298 Post by Jaymz » Wed Sep 29, 2021 10:21 am

Ozbear73 wrote:
Wed Sep 29, 2021 9:13 am
If someone has any access to this morning’s Advertiser piece on the announcement of Glandore property acquisitions for the T2D, that would be greatly appreciated 🙏

Here you go. From todays online version of The Advertiser........

Glandore residents receive acquisition notices from the State Government
More than 100 letters informing Glandore residents their homes might be razed for the South Rd upgrade have been delivered, leaving residents confused and upset.

Dixie Sulda and Kathryn Bermingham
5 min read
September 29, 2021 - 10:08AM

More than 100 residents have received letters from the Transport Department alerting them their homes could be acquired for the final stages of the North-South corridor.

Transport Minister Corey Wingard confirmed discussions were underway with land owners and tenants south of Anzac Highway for the Torrens to Darlington project, but would not confirm how many homes in the area would be acquired.

Local Labor MP for Badcoe, Jayne Stinson said emotional residents made contact with her on Tuesday after receiving letters.

“People started calling my office in tears, really stressed out, wondering what this letter was about,” Ms Stinson said.

She said the letter – which had been sent to more than 100 residents in Glandore – said their property was “directly impacted” by the South Rd upgrade, and to contact a member of the Department of Transport and Infrastructure named Alex “as soon as possible”.

“Unfortunately when people called the department asking for Alex, they were told Alex was on leave, and to leave him a message,” she said.

Ms Stinson called on more transparency from the State Government.

“Unfortunately there’s just mass confusion about what’s going on,” she said.

“If the government would actually just be upfront with people … it’s very tough but at least they’d have some clarity. It’s that stress of not knowing if you’re in or you’re out (of your home).”

Ms Stinson said no-one from the department had been in contact with her.

She said residents on various roads including Grosvenor Rd, Glengyle Terrace, Pleasant Rd, Forest St, Maude St, Nottingham Rd and Garland St had received letters on Tuesday from the State Government.

Marion Mayor Kris Hanna said 110 homes in Marion Council area received letters yesterday, but that the State Government had not contacted the council at all.

It is understood homes in the West Torrens Council area would also be impacted.

“People will be rather shocked by the valuations they will get,” he said and urged those affected to see a specialised property acquisition lawyer.

“I think there are going to be some upset people along the way.”

He said the council had met last night to discuss the situation and whether the popular Glandore Oval would be impacted.

“They play cricket and footy there and people walk their dogs there and we’ve had it in writing yesterday that this round of acquisitions … that it won’t be effecting Glandore Oval.”

Glandore resident Julie, who is in the middle of renovating her home, told ABC Radio Adelaide she received a letter under her doormat on Tuesday.

“It’s a very unreal experience, the rumours that have been going around the streets for well over a week, and you don’t want to give in to rumours, but seeing it in writing made it very real,” Julie said.

She started renovating her home at the beginning of the year and has told builders to halt work.

“It’s just adding insult to injury … I was planning on staying here well into my old age.

“I wouldn’t be investing as much money as I was into my house if I thought there was a possibility of this happening.”

Mr Wingard said the department was engaging with affected land owners and tenants as soon as elements of the Reference Design were confirmed.

“We understand it's a challenging and difficult time for people whose properties will be impacted and the project team is committed to working closely with them and providing support through the process,” Mr Wingard said.

“From the very start we have been open and transparent about the fact property acquisition would be required.”

He said 390 properties would be acquired for the entire 78km long North-South project, which wold see a traffic free corridor from Gawler to Old Noarlunga.

It includes 63 homes and businesses marked for demolition in the initial stages of the $9.9bn Torrens to Darlington upgrade.

Shocked neighbours still coming to terms with the news were gathered in the street on Wednesday morning.

Barbara Robertson lives on Forest St and was informed by letter on Tuesday that her property would go.

An emotional Ms Robertson said her restored heritage home was built in 1905 on the site of an almond orchard and should not be demolished.

“I don’t think any houses over 100 years old should be pulled down in Adelaide, we’re losing so many,” she said.

“I’ve spent all of the lockdown doing the garden, the beautiful fruit trees will all be gone.

“I was hopeful that they wouldn’t need to take these homes … there are fewer houses on the other side (of South Rd) so we thought they might go there.”

Ms Robertson, who has lived in the house for 37 years, called on the government to ensure the acquisition process is conducted fairly.

“If we have to leave our homes we need to find one that is equivalent and, in this current market, I just don’t know how we’ll do it,” she said.

“I know it’s going to happen, I know I can’t stop it but I just want people to know what’s happening to my home.”

Peter Henningsen lives around the corner on the eastern side of Grosvenor St and was also told yesterday his home would be acquired.

“It is what it is, of course,” Mr Henningsen said.

“But the house that we’re in, it’s three bedrooms and it was going to be our house until someone carries us out in a box.

“Now we have to work out what we’re going to do but we can’t even start that process until we know how much they’re giving us.”

Nick Tangorra lives on the western side of the street and has not yet been told whether his home will be acquired, but said some others on that side have been told their homes will go.

Mr Tangorra, who has lived at the property for 18 years, said approvals to renovate his home were recently placed on hold by the local council, but no reason was given.

He said residents of Grosvenor St who had not been contacted were now in limbo.

“It would have been great if they told everyone at the same time,” he said.

“To leave letters in some letterboxes and not in others is pretty rude.”

Mr Henningsen said the tight-knit community had been rocked by the news.

“Everyone down the street is absolutely miserable,” he said.

“I didn’t sleep at all last night.”

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#5299 Post by SouthAussie94 » Wed Sep 29, 2021 11:21 am

How can anyone living within 100m of South Road seriously still be surprised when their house has been nominated for compulsory acquisition?
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#5300 Post by Nort » Wed Sep 29, 2021 12:16 pm

SouthAussie94 wrote:
Wed Sep 29, 2021 11:21 am
How can anyone living within 100m of South Road seriously still be surprised when their house has been nominated for compulsory acquisition?
Knowing there is a slight chance of something happening can still make it shocking when it actually does.

Also for any affected residents it's likely they based their expectations off other parts of the road. If you look at areas such as Hindmarsh and Croydon where works are complete there are long sections of houses remaining that are closer to the road than many of these properties would be.

It's an unfortunate reality of these types of developments that people have to lose their homes, but it also should be done with a level of compassion, and things like a letter saying "Maybe we'll knock down your house maybe we won't ask this guy for details oh he's on holiday lol" is a shithouse way of going about it.

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#5301 Post by [Shuz] » Wed Sep 29, 2021 3:36 pm

SouthAussie94 wrote:
Wed Sep 29, 2021 11:21 am
How can anyone living within 100m of South Road seriously still be surprised when their house has been nominated for compulsory acquisition?
Agreed. No sympathy for them at all. They knew this was coming years, if not a whole decade in advance. That's more than enough time to plan for relocation.
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#5302 Post by greenknight » Wed Sep 29, 2021 3:59 pm

The problem stems from The Castle. Everyone feels like that movie is a documentary on a real court case. In reality, this is so far from the truth that its funny. I guess it is a comedy!

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#5303 Post by Jaymz » Wed Sep 29, 2021 4:20 pm

I would at least like to hope they get a very fair price for their properties, taking into consideration the recent house price increases. Plus a little cherry on top too.

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#5304 Post by Nort » Wed Sep 29, 2021 4:49 pm

[Shuz] wrote:
Wed Sep 29, 2021 3:36 pm
SouthAussie94 wrote:
Wed Sep 29, 2021 11:21 am
How can anyone living within 100m of South Road seriously still be surprised when their house has been nominated for compulsory acquisition?
Agreed. No sympathy for them at all. They knew this was coming years, if not a whole decade in advance. That's more than enough time to plan for relocation.
Again, not necessarily. Check out the locations of some of these streets and then compare it to the acquisitions made for other sections.

I don't think the government is going to be spending money to acquire properties they don't need to, but there are plenty of people who could have reasonably expected they would fall outside the footprint of any development. This "Oh well it's their own fault" nonsense is just as bad as people arguing that any acquisition at all is the worst thing ever.

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#5305 Post by rev » Wed Sep 29, 2021 5:44 pm

Nort wrote:
Wed Sep 29, 2021 4:49 pm
[Shuz] wrote:
Wed Sep 29, 2021 3:36 pm
SouthAussie94 wrote:
Wed Sep 29, 2021 11:21 am
How can anyone living within 100m of South Road seriously still be surprised when their house has been nominated for compulsory acquisition?
Agreed. No sympathy for them at all. They knew this was coming years, if not a whole decade in advance. That's more than enough time to plan for relocation.
Again, not necessarily. Check out the locations of some of these streets and then compare it to the acquisitions made for other sections.

I don't think the government is going to be spending money to acquire properties they don't need to, but there are plenty of people who could have reasonably expected they would fall outside the footprint of any development. This "Oh well it's their own fault" nonsense is just as bad as people arguing that any acquisition at all is the worst thing ever.
Reasonably? Based on what?

We all knew the government(s) hadn't decided on a design for the remaining section, so why would someone assume their property wouldn't be acquired?
If they made the assumption the same would be done there as done elsewhere then that is indeed their problem.

Having said that, hopefully they get fair market value for their properties and given time and assistance to move.

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#5306 Post by aceman » Thu Sep 30, 2021 10:37 am

anyone have an idea as to where the spoil from the tunnels will be taken? there's going to he quite a few million tonnes of it to come out!!

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#5307 Post by Saltwater » Thu Sep 30, 2021 10:58 am

Heading north by the look of things: https://www.adelaidenow.com.au/messenge ... dd982f7197

Personally I think it would be great if they left some in the western suburbs and created a few hills, or let people build garden beds with it given how flat the whole area is.

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#5308 Post by Goodsy » Thu Sep 30, 2021 5:46 pm

aceman wrote:
Thu Sep 30, 2021 10:37 am
anyone have an idea as to where the spoil from the tunnels will be taken? there's going to he quite a few million tonnes of it to come out!!
Salt pans probably

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#5309 Post by ChillyPhilly » Thu Sep 30, 2021 5:59 pm

Hopefully to somewhere useful that isn't the salt pans.
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#5310 Post by [Shuz] » Thu Sep 30, 2021 7:06 pm

The extracted soil would also be well repurposed as mounds adjacent the banks of the Gawler River in order to mitigate any flood risk to the Buckland Park development.
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