[U/C] M2 North-South Motorway

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kymbosa wrote:
Tue Jan 12, 2021 9:28 pm
Spotto wrote:
Tue Jan 12, 2021 4:07 pm
mawsonguy wrote:
Tue Jan 12, 2021 3:33 pm
Bridge spans are in place (courtesy of Adelaide Now)
Time to start counting down! This section is going to be finished this year and the government will still be scratching their heads over the final Torrens to Darlington section, the only section that they've needed to design and build themselves.
Which if they hold out long enough and lose the next election in March 2022, than they would have achieved nothing.

No plans, no design and no idea when it has come to this section besides, announcement of doing nothing.
Anyone would think it might be hard or something - it couldn't be done under a Labor government, and might not get done in the first term of a Liberal one either!

Who would want to be a party leader or roads (shadow-)minister that has to talk up the value of the transport route for people north and south of it at the same time as talking down the disruption to electorates crossed by or separated from the city by the route and assure the rest of us that they aren't spending too much of our money on that which we would rather see spent elsewhere.

Are the Port Augusta and Port Wakefield projects likely to be open before the election?
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SBD wrote:
Tue Jan 12, 2021 10:54 pm
Anyone would think it might be hard or something - it couldn't be done under a Labor government, and might not get done in the first term of a Liberal one either!
When Labor left office they already had the Northern Connector and Darlington Upgrade well underway, Torrens to Torrens was nearing completion, Regency to Pym was in planning, and had long since completed the Southern Expressway duplication, the Superway and the whole Northern Expressway. And that's not including all the other significant transport infrastructure projects they had completed or started during their time in office. To bring them into the discussion of why Torrens to Darlington hasn't been done when they had already completed or started every other section is frankly nonsensical.

Once R2P is mostly complete by the end of this year we'll be approaching the end of the Liberal's current term and still be three more years away from major construction on the final section. This was their major election promise, which they made 2 years before any notable investigation works occurred to test whether their preferred tunnel solution was even viable.
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Anyone else feel that the signage around the Salisbury Highway/Port Expressway junctions really needs some work? The signs saying which lane does what appear far too late and it's common to see cars suddenly crossing multiple lanes of traffic as they realise at the last moment they need to be on the other side.
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Spotto wrote:
Wed Jan 13, 2021 12:01 pm
SBD wrote:
Tue Jan 12, 2021 10:54 pm
Anyone would think it might be hard or something - it couldn't be done under a Labor government, and might not get done in the first term of a Liberal one either!
When Labor left office they already had the Northern Connector and Darlington Upgrade well underway, Torrens to Torrens was nearing completion, Regency to Pym was in planning, and had long since completed the Southern Expressway duplication, the Superway and the whole Northern Expressway. And that's not including all the other significant transport infrastructure projects they had completed or started during their time in office. To bring them into the discussion of why Torrens to Darlington hasn't been done when they had already completed or started every other section is frankly nonsensical.

Once R2P is mostly complete by the end of this year we'll be approaching the end of the Liberal's current term and still be three more years away from major construction on the final section. This was their major election promise, which they made 2 years before any notable investigation works occurred to test whether their preferred tunnel solution was even viable.
Labor may have completed alot, but lets be honest, both sides are guilty of doing nothing for decades on this corridor.
Since MATS was abandoned, has either side ever presented a comprehensive plan for the corridor?
Or for a wider network connected to the SEF?
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rev wrote:
Thu Jan 14, 2021 4:48 pm
Spotto wrote:
Wed Jan 13, 2021 12:01 pm
SBD wrote:
Tue Jan 12, 2021 10:54 pm
Anyone would think it might be hard or something - it couldn't be done under a Labor government, and might not get done in the first term of a Liberal one either!
When Labor left office they already had the Northern Connector and Darlington Upgrade well underway, Torrens to Torrens was nearing completion, Regency to Pym was in planning, and had long since completed the Southern Expressway duplication, the Superway and the whole Northern Expressway. And that's not including all the other significant transport infrastructure projects they had completed or started during their time in office. To bring them into the discussion of why Torrens to Darlington hasn't been done when they had already completed or started every other section is frankly nonsensical.

Once R2P is mostly complete by the end of this year we'll be approaching the end of the Liberal's current term and still be three more years away from major construction on the final section. This was their major election promise, which they made 2 years before any notable investigation works occurred to test whether their preferred tunnel solution was even viable.
Labor may have completed alot, but lets be honest, both sides are guilty of doing nothing for decades on this corridor.
Since MATS was abandoned, has either side ever presented a comprehensive plan for the corridor?
Or for a wider network connected to the SEF?
Labor had a "strategy" to complete Noarlunga to Nuriootpa in ten years from about 2013 (I think it was). Unfortunately, it appeared to have been at least two years behind in planning for the remaining bit by the time of the 2018 election.

Which roads get upgraded shouldn't be a partisan issue. There should be a rolling list of major infrastructure upgrades funded and developed regardless of which party is in government at the time.

The only proposal I recall for connecting the SEF and the NSM is the Liberal GlobeLink to link the Monarto area to the Sturt Highway and enter Adelaide from the north. The consultant report that concluded GlobeLink would cost too much for the benefit contained several alternate possibilities. I don't think any party has yet adopted any of those options as future election promises.
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Labor's Scoping Report is the closest we've come to something of moderate detail.
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