Adelaide's Premier Development and Construction Site
https://sensational-adelaide.com/forum/
Come along to an info session for the Ovingham Level Crossing Removal Project Planning Study to meet the project team, ask questions and provide feedback about the project.
Members of the project team will be available to talk to interested people at the following locations during October and November:
• Ovingham Railway Station on Tuesday 29 October from 7am to 10am, and 3:30pm to 5:30pm,
• Churchill Centre on Thursday 31 October from 2pm to 7pm, and Friday 1 November from 10am to 2pm, and
• Charles Cane Reserve Club House on Saturday 9 November from 10am to 1pm.
“Not within the scope of the project” AKA “Too-Hard Basket”TrebleSketch wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 3:23 pmThey won't touch the Hawker Street crossing as it's not within the scope of the project, but as I caught the train into town I saw that traffic had backed all the way into War Memorial Drive
After seeing this and hearing that the Park Terrace Bridge is too low for the new electric trains to run under. That a sunken crossing removal would be the way forward, increasing the project scope to North Adelaide Station, but that's just an idea
I think the 2nd option would be best, since it's used officially.
They absolutely should, already also sent them a comment on the project website too. Would recommend that you do so as well, I would imagine they are in the rush before Christmas break to maybe finalise some designs atm as they've alluded to when I spoke with them at Ovingham.Spotto wrote: ↑Sat Nov 30, 2019 4:05 am“Not within the scope of the project” AKA “Too-Hard Basket”TrebleSketch wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 3:23 pmThey won't touch the Hawker Street crossing as it's not within the scope of the project, but as I caught the train into town I saw that traffic had backed all the way into War Memorial Drive
After seeing this and hearing that the Park Terrace Bridge is too low for the new electric trains to run under. That a sunken crossing removal would be the way forward, increasing the project scope to North Adelaide Station, but that's just an idea
Why the heck not? With a level crossing so close to the city centre it should absolutely be included. And it will be much cheaper and logistically easier to kill two birds with one stone than potentially revisit Hawker Street years down the line.
Though if Park Terrace gets altered into a rail underpass then Hawker Street will have to be included im the cutting as well.
Park Terrace as in the bridge over that same line?Spotto wrote: ↑Sat Nov 30, 2019 4:05 am“Not within the scope of the project” AKA “Too-Hard Basket”TrebleSketch wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 3:23 pmThey won't touch the Hawker Street crossing as it's not within the scope of the project, but as I caught the train into town I saw that traffic had backed all the way into War Memorial Drive
After seeing this and hearing that the Park Terrace Bridge is too low for the new electric trains to run under. That a sunken crossing removal would be the way forward, increasing the project scope to North Adelaide Station, but that's just an idea
Why the heck not? With a level crossing so close to the city centre it should absolutely be included. And it will be much cheaper and logistically easier to kill two birds with one stone than potentially revisit Hawker Street years down the line.
Though if Park Terrace gets altered into a rail underpass then Hawker Street will have to be included im the cutting as well.
That is true, haha. I think they do worry if they make the project too big, it would affect too many people = less community support. Infrastructure projects are generally toned down unless either the government really wants it done and/or they think they can ensure community support.
Yeah, it is the bridge just north of North Adelaide Station (NAS). If it's going to be an underpass, then the scope will need to reach all the way to NAS. Though I do wonder if the underpasses will allow for double-stack freight, so this does depend on GlobeLink in the end. Hawker St/Park Tce may also need to be raised slightly to allow for that if GlobeLink doesn't happen. Since iirc, freight only needs to go to Islington?rev wrote: ↑Mon Dec 02, 2019 11:31 amPark Terrace as in the bridge over that same line?Spotto wrote: ↑Sat Nov 30, 2019 4:05 am“Not within the scope of the project” AKA “Too-Hard Basket”TrebleSketch wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 3:23 pmThey won't touch the Hawker Street crossing as it's not within the scope of the project, but as I caught the train into town I saw that traffic had backed all the way into War Memorial Drive
After seeing this and hearing that the Park Terrace Bridge is too low for the new electric trains to run under. That a sunken crossing removal would be the way forward, increasing the project scope to North Adelaide Station, but that's just an idea
Why the heck not? With a level crossing so close to the city centre it should absolutely be included. And it will be much cheaper and logistically easier to kill two birds with one stone than potentially revisit Hawker Street years down the line.
Though if Park Terrace gets altered into a rail underpass then Hawker Street will have to be included im the cutting as well.
I think it's less that, and more wearing blinkers. If there's something that can be done alongside a project that's mutually beneficial to themselves and other parties and save work and money in the long term, they'll still shove fingers in their ears and sing "la la la out of scope". I'm thinking more along things like shared paths along projects, or how it interacts with a neighbouring development.TrebleSketch wrote: ↑Mon Dec 02, 2019 3:26 pmThat is true, haha. I think they do worry if they make the project too big, it would affect too many people = less community support. Infrastructure projects are generally toned down unless either the government really wants it done and/or they think they can ensure community support.
Mhm, gotcha! I hear that if the rail portion of GlobeLink does go ahead, then only trains that will be using the ARTC line would be the "Indian Pacific" (and maybe "Overland", depending on several factors). If either are still around by the time this project goes ahead and if the tracks further south are converted to Broad or the suburban transport is switched back to Standard Gauge.ChillyPhilly wrote: ↑Mon Dec 02, 2019 4:09 pmFreight goes to Islington, but also straight through to Penfield and beyond, branching off at Salisbury.
Nathan wrote: ↑Mon Dec 02, 2019 4:06 pmI think it's less that, and more wearing blinkers. If there's something that can be done alongside a project that's mutually beneficial to themselves and other parties and save work and money in the long term, they'll still shove fingers in their ears and sing "la la la out of scope". I'm thinking more along things like shared paths along projects, or how it interacts with a neighbouring development.TrebleSketch wrote: ↑Mon Dec 02, 2019 3:26 pmThat is true, haha. I think they do worry if they make the project too big, it would affect too many people = less community support. Infrastructure projects are generally toned down unless either the government really wants it done and/or they think they can ensure community support.
As for passenger train between Adelaide and Melbourne I believe the only way it could compete with planes is be competitive on price and have a overnight trainChillyPhilly wrote: ↑Mon Dec 02, 2019 5:51 pmI'd love to see freight and even interstate passenger services relocated from the Belair and Gawler lines - they form a significant barrier for pedestrians and other movements in the case of long trains, plus the route through the Hills is slow and inefficient. However, at the same time I'd love to see interstate rail return to the CBD. It's a big conflict.
The best solution is for the GlobeLink rail route to happen, but for a new interstate line to the CBD - be it a tunnel or not. I'll do a map when I have a chance.