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[COM] Main North Road/Nottage Terrace Intersection Upgrade
Posted: Tue Apr 14, 2020 2:13 pm
by Eurostar
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We’re seeking feedback on the draft concept design for the Main North Road and Nottage Terrace Intersection Upgrade. The Australian and South Australian Governments are jointly funding the $19 million upgrade to improve travel times, network reliability and safety for all users.
We encourage you to provide feedback online
www.dpti.sa.gov.au/nottage, by emailing:
[email protected] or calling 1300 794 880. Feedback can be provided until COB Friday 8 May.
As part of the early design process, site investigation works to identify the location and depth of utility services in the vicinity of the proposed upgrade site will commence Monday, 27 April, continuing to early May, weather permitting. More info: bit.ly/2RA0hLL
[COM] Re: Main North Road/Nottage Terrace Intersection Upgrade
Posted: Tue Apr 14, 2020 7:08 pm
by Patrick_27
Eurostar wrote: ↑Tue Apr 14, 2020 2:13 pm
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We’re seeking feedback on the draft concept design for the Main North Road and Nottage Terrace Intersection Upgrade. The Australian and South Australian Governments are jointly funding the $19 million upgrade to improve travel times, network reliability and safety for all users.
We encourage you to provide feedback online
www.dpti.sa.gov.au/nottage, by emailing:
[email protected] or calling 1300 794 880. Feedback can be provided until COB Friday 8 May.
As part of the early design process, site investigation works to identify the location and depth of utility services in the vicinity of the proposed upgrade site will commence Monday, 27 April, continuing to early May, weather permitting. More info: bit.ly/2RA0hLL
Some of these intersection upgrades seem redundant if they're not going to replace them with interchanges... This intersection for instance, is only bad because the lights need to be re-sequenced. The same with the recently completely OG Road/Payneham Road intersection, it's quite literally changed nothing about the intersection other than some widening of the existing lanes and removal of a slip lane...
[COM] Re: Main North Road/Nottage Terrace Intersection Upgrade
Posted: Tue Apr 14, 2020 8:46 pm
by ChillyPhilly
Eurostar wrote: ↑Tue Apr 14, 2020 2:13 pm
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We’re seeking feedback on the draft concept design for the Main North Road and Nottage Terrace Intersection Upgrade. The Australian and South Australian Governments are jointly funding the $19 million upgrade to improve travel times, network reliability and safety for all users.
We encourage you to provide feedback online
www.dpti.sa.gov.au/nottage, by emailing:
[email protected] or calling 1300 794 880. Feedback can be provided until COB Friday 8 May.
As part of the early design process, site investigation works to identify the location and depth of utility services in the vicinity of the proposed upgrade site will commence Monday, 27 April, continuing to early May, weather permitting. More info: bit.ly/2RA0hLL
I'm pleased to see inclusion of a bus priority lane and an extension of the cycling lane.
Hopefully there can be a permanent clearway southbound on Main North Road between this intersection and the City Ring Route.
[COM] Re: Main North Road/Nottage Terrace Intersection Upgrade
Posted: Tue Apr 14, 2020 11:55 pm
by Nowlistencarefully
The Clearway should be a permanent third lane southbound and that vacant land on eastern side of main north road can be used for bus inlet, truck delivery and any short term customer parking
[COM] Re: Main North Road/Nottage Terrace Intersection Upgrade
Posted: Wed Apr 15, 2020 8:30 am
by rev
Nowlistencarefully wrote: ↑Tue Apr 14, 2020 11:55 pm
The Clearway should be a permanent third lane southbound and that vacant land on eastern side of main north road can be used for bus inlet, truck delivery and any short term customer parking
You mean the western side?
There is or was a proposed apartment or motel/hotel development for that site. Its private land, not DPTI land.
[COM] Re: Main North Road/Nottage Terrace Intersection Upgrade
Posted: Fri May 14, 2021 3:37 pm
by Furyan
Construction has now started at this intersection (Scotty's Corner) with completion expected by years end.
[COM] Re: Main North Road/Nottage Terrace Intersection Upgrade
Posted: Sat May 15, 2021 1:29 pm
by marbles
nothing about it looks quicker
all still the same stop lights just more room for cars to bank up
why have cars northbound stopping at lights? that whole western side could be express thoroughfare
just the cars coming right from nottage could merge in
cant see how any of this is shaving time of the trip
[COM] Re: Main North Road/Nottage Terrace Intersection Upgrade
Posted: Sun May 16, 2021 12:11 am
by Patrick_27
marbles wrote: ↑Sat May 15, 2021 1:29 pm
nothing about it looks quicker
all still the same stop lights just more room for cars to bank up
why have cars northbound stopping at lights? that whole western side could be express thoroughfare
just the cars coming right from nottage could merge in
cant see how any of this is shaving time of the trip
Seeing as you're the expert, tell us more.
[COM] Re: Main North Road/Nottage Terrace Intersection Upgrade
Posted: Sun May 16, 2021 12:50 pm
by rev
Patrick_27 wrote: ↑Sun May 16, 2021 12:11 am
marbles wrote: ↑Sat May 15, 2021 1:29 pm
nothing about it looks quicker
all still the same stop lights just more room for cars to bank up
why have cars northbound stopping at lights? that whole western side could be express thoroughfare
just the cars coming right from nottage could merge in
cant see how any of this is shaving time of the trip
Seeing as you're the expert, tell us more.
He's not wrong from what I can see either.
The only thing that's changing seems to be the addition of a bus lane heading out of the city.
There's already 2 lanes heading north on Main North, 2 lanes turning right from Main North to Nottage Tce.
3 lanes heading into the city from Main North, a left hand lane to turn onto Nottage Tce. And there's also a bus slip lane heading into the city at the intersection.
2 lanes from Nottage turning into the city and 2 turning north. And Main North Road from Nottage Tce heading to the city is already 3 lanes.
It's the usual bandaid solution.
They couldn't sink the city bound lanes on Main North through the intersection and the north bound? That way the only stop/traffic light would be turning north east onto Nottage from MNR or from Nottage onto MNR, and traffic can merge further down.
There's a big ol' empty plot of land there, acquire it, maybe acquire one or two other properties on the western side there, should be plenty of room.
But something other then the usual bandaid solutions we usually get would require commitment to actually improve things and not just to get by till the next election campaign.
[COM] Re: Main North Road/Nottage Terrace Intersection Upgrade
Posted: Sun May 16, 2021 5:09 pm
by A-Town
rev wrote: ↑Sun May 16, 2021 12:50 pm
Patrick_27 wrote: ↑Sun May 16, 2021 12:11 am
marbles wrote: ↑Sat May 15, 2021 1:29 pm
nothing about it looks quicker
all still the same stop lights just more room for cars to bank up
why have cars northbound stopping at lights? that whole western side could be express thoroughfare
just the cars coming right from nottage could merge in
cant see how any of this is shaving time of the trip
Seeing as you're the expert, tell us more.
He's not wrong from what I can see either.
The only thing that's changing seems to be the addition of a bus lane heading out of the city.
And the addition of a second right hand turn lane to Nottage Tce from Main North Rd. Other than that, won't be much different.
[COM] Re: Main North Road/Nottage Terrace Intersection Upgrade
Posted: Mon May 17, 2021 8:44 am
by SBD
A-Town wrote: ↑Sun May 16, 2021 5:09 pm
rev wrote: ↑Sun May 16, 2021 12:50 pm
Patrick_27 wrote: ↑Sun May 16, 2021 12:11 am
Seeing as you're the expert, tell us more.
He's not wrong from what I can see either.
The only thing that's changing seems to be the addition of a bus lane heading out of the city.
And the addition of a second right hand turn lane to Nottage Tce from Main North Rd. Other than that, won't be much different.
If that stops the queue to turn right from blocking the through lanes, then that is still a gain.
As with many urban road projects, the people complaining about the current traffic
are the traffic they are complaining about!
[COM] Re: Main North Road/Nottage Terrace Intersection Upgrade
Posted: Mon May 17, 2021 10:20 am
by how good is he
Probably an overpass [or underpass] is the ideal solution at a cost of only a few hundred million. The question is whether one will still be needed when traffic is worse in say 10- 20 years time and they should look at it now?
[COM] Re: Main North Road/Nottage Terrace Intersection Upgrade
Posted: Mon May 17, 2021 10:59 am
by SBD
how good is he wrote: ↑Mon May 17, 2021 10:20 am
Probably an overpass [or underpass] is the ideal solution at a cost of only a few hundred million. The question is whether one will still be needed when traffic is worse in say 10- 20 years time and they should look at it now?
Crystal ball time - will traffic be worse in twenty years time, and why? Reasons why it might or might not...
- Covid taught us we can work from anywhere. In twenty years, more of us will have houses set up to support work from home, and maybe not even in the urban area if we like living in the country.
- Automated supermarkets and shop online - less staff are needed if the trolley can just be pushed through the RFID reader and everything is scanned. Warehouses set up for robotic pick and pack need less staff than a supermarket
- Autonomous vehicles - will these reduce or increase traffic? They might only reduce the demand for car parking
- Adelaide might have "better" public transport, or maybe the risk of "the next pandemic" will scare most people out of mass transit vehicles.
- Since the 1950s, science fiction has talked about more leisure time...
- Aging population...
I'm happy to have this moved to a vision thread if it takes off as a discussion.
[COM] Re: Main North Road/Nottage Terrace Intersection Upgrade
Posted: Mon May 17, 2021 11:51 am
by Eurostar
That Citybound bus lane should be extended to the Robe Terrace intersection.
[COM] Re: Main North Road/Nottage Terrace Intersection Upgrade
Posted: Mon May 17, 2021 4:04 pm
by Nort
how good is he wrote: ↑Mon May 17, 2021 10:20 am
Probably an overpass [or underpass] is the ideal solution at a cost of only a few hundred million. The question is whether one will still be needed when traffic is worse in say 10- 20 years time and they should look at it now?
An overpass/underpass seems like a very over-engineered solution for this location that would just feed traffic into other bottlenecks.