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Here is proposal No 1 just for interest....
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PeFe wrote:
Mon Jul 20, 2020 3:34 pm
Here is proposal No 1 just for interest....
Does anyone still have an image of the version of the design between the above and the below? It seems to have been lost in the ether, but it was best from memory.

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I think you'll find this was proposal no. 1, came in around 73m if I recall rightly. The best design of the lot, firstly because it considered the heritage facade, and secondly for modern design merits. Even a decade later it's still better than all of the proposals that have come since.
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Yep that one that Patrick shared was best by a mile. Such a pretty design.
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Thanks Patrick. That’s the one I loved.
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Patrick_27 wrote:
Mon Jul 20, 2020 5:56 pm
I think you'll find this was proposal no. 1, came in around 73m if I recall rightly.
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It was an office tower that would've been 24 storeys at around 115 metres. And yes, it was the best design of the lot. It incorporated the facade of the old bank and had an added glass atrium to the fifth floor and escalators to first. A nice complementary design.

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P.S. Just wanted to add that this design is not just complementary to the old facade, a good contrast between old and new, but also to the surrounding buildings. A real pity they haven't gone for this. I really hope this gets knocked back not just on the grounds it is a boring glass box, but also its height. It should go to its max of 115 metres. In this part of the CBD core it should be mandatory as part of the design. My :2cents:
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The item was deferred yesterday at the SCAP meeting, based on a number of design issues. They also sought a staging plan that would link the demolition to 'substantial commencement of construction'.

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Sounds like the glass was of similar quality to the casino. Shame the DAC want less quality glazing or more concrete. :roll:

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Developers behind new $160 million Hyatt Regency hotel for Pirie St told building is too reflective

A planned 21-storey hotel set to replace a heritage building on Pirie St has hit another roadblock, with developers told parts of it are too reflective. SEE THE DESIGNS

The State Government's planning body has sent developers of the Hyatt Regency in Adelaide back to the drawing board amid concerns the building is too shiny.

The State Commission Assessment Panel last week deferred the CEL Development’s application to build the $160 million hotel, which will replace a local heritage building, at 51 Pirie St.

It found “issues” with the canopy, facade and reflectivity of the building particularly on the western facade.

An artist impression of the planned Hyatt Regency’s rooftop bar. Supplied: CEL DevelopmentAn artist impression of the planned Hyatt Regency’s rooftop bar. Supplied: CEL DevelopmentThe building at 51 Pirie St in the city, which will be demolished for the new Hyatt Hotel.The building at 51 Pirie St in the city, which will be demolished for the new Hyatt Hotel.
It also wanted the developer to provide a “staging plan” to prove construction would start at the site after demolition

It is the second time the developer has revised plans.

CEL Development executive director Robert Lee said his team had started to address concerns and aimed to relodge documents “as soon as possible”.

“The staging of the demolition, I do not see that as an issue, but in relation to the reflectivity I have my facade architect and engineer … looking at it to make sure we are in-line with what (SCAP) want,” Mr Lee said.

“I think this development is very important for South Australia, so we are taking very seriously what has been raised.”

Artist impression of the Level 20 Regency Club and rooftop bar at the Hyatt Regency.
Artist impression of the Level 20 Regency Club and rooftop bar at the Hyatt Regency.

The Hyatt Regency would replace the former Bank of South Australia building, most recently used as an office supplies building.

Originally, the developer wanted the building to be 27 storeys but reduced it to 21 storeys.

The number of rooms decreased from 295 to 285.

The mixed-use development, which would stand at 93.5m tall, includes a rooftop bar and restaurant, meeting rooms, pool, gym and a ballroom.

The old bank building is locally heritage-listed as a townscape – meaning that parts of the building contribute to the overall character of the wider area.

Acting Adelaide Lord Mayor Alex Hyde said it would be “sad” to see a heritage facade go, but “even sadder” to see something of sub-par design excellence built in its place.

The Hyatt opened on North Tce in 1988. However the company left Adelaide back in 2009, with the old hotel converted into the InterContinental Hotel.
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Not all glass buildings get grief .
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Ben wrote:
Tue Jul 28, 2020 8:13 pm
Sounds like the glass was of similar quality to the casino. Shame the DAC want less quality glazing or more concrete. :roll:

From The Advertiser


Developers behind new $160 million Hyatt Regency hotel for Pirie St told building is too reflective

A planned 21-storey hotel set to replace a heritage building on Pirie St has hit another roadblock, with developers told parts of it are too reflective. SEE THE DESIGNS

The State Government's planning body has sent developers of the Hyatt Regency in Adelaide back to the drawing board amid concerns the building is too shiny.

The State Commission Assessment Panel last week deferred the CEL Development’s application to build the $160 million hotel, which will replace a local heritage building, at 51 Pirie St.

It found “issues” with the canopy, facade and reflectivity of the building particularly on the western facade.

An artist impression of the planned Hyatt Regency’s rooftop bar. Supplied: CEL DevelopmentAn artist impression of the planned Hyatt Regency’s rooftop bar. Supplied: CEL DevelopmentThe building at 51 Pirie St in the city, which will be demolished for the new Hyatt Hotel.The building at 51 Pirie St in the city, which will be demolished for the new Hyatt Hotel.
It also wanted the developer to provide a “staging plan” to prove construction would start at the site after demolition

It is the second time the developer has revised plans.

CEL Development executive director Robert Lee said his team had started to address concerns and aimed to relodge documents “as soon as possible”.

“The staging of the demolition, I do not see that as an issue, but in relation to the reflectivity I have my facade architect and engineer … looking at it to make sure we are in-line with what (SCAP) want,” Mr Lee said.

“I think this development is very important for South Australia, so we are taking very seriously what has been raised.”

Artist impression of the Level 20 Regency Club and rooftop bar at the Hyatt Regency.
Artist impression of the Level 20 Regency Club and rooftop bar at the Hyatt Regency.

The Hyatt Regency would replace the former Bank of South Australia building, most recently used as an office supplies building.

Originally, the developer wanted the building to be 27 storeys but reduced it to 21 storeys.

The number of rooms decreased from 295 to 285.

The mixed-use development, which would stand at 93.5m tall, includes a rooftop bar and restaurant, meeting rooms, pool, gym and a ballroom.

The old bank building is locally heritage-listed as a townscape – meaning that parts of the building contribute to the overall character of the wider area.

Acting Adelaide Lord Mayor Alex Hyde said it would be “sad” to see a heritage facade go, but “even sadder” to see something of sub-par design excellence built in its place.

The Hyatt opened on North Tce in 1988. However the company left Adelaide back in 2009, with the old hotel converted into the InterContinental Hotel.
So basically an already naff design is set to become even more banal due to SCAP? I cannot understand why they didn't just stick with the original proposal and decrease the height to reflect the decreasing in the number of rooms, it's only ten rooms!
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Ben wrote:
Tue Jul 28, 2020 8:13 pm
Shame the DAC want less quality glazing or more concrete. :roll:
To be fair, they're not the only possible solutions to SCAP's concerns. A creative architect could rise to the challenge.

But I suppose it is the likely outcome.
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I suspect the reflectivity issue isn't so much the shininess of the glass being used, but that the design as proposed would just be a 20 storey tall mirror.
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How is it that other cities are able to have and other developers & architects are able to create tall buildings clad entirely in glass, but we can't do that here?
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Approved
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cmet wrote:
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Approved
Ummm, yeah. Demolition of existing building approved you mean?
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