Riverlea (Buckland Park) | 12,000 dwellings | $3b

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Re: Riverlea (Buckland Park) | 12,000 dwellings | $3b

#406 Post by Norman » Tue Jun 21, 2022 11:37 am

Nort wrote:
Tue Jun 21, 2022 10:00 am
SBD wrote:
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I don't think extending commuter rail to the Barossa is a good idea, as it would destroy much of the reason people want to live there. Likewise, Mount Barker should be developed as a separate city, not a remote dormitory. The slope and curves are not condusive to offering a service that can compete with buses for Stirling, Bridgewater, Hahndorf, Balhannah and Mount Barker on the current alignment (or Oakbank, Woodside, Birdwood on that former branch) .
You keep saying it, but the fact is that it's close enough to Adelaide that it is effectively a suburb now, and will always be. In fact if Mount Barker got more industry and university campuses and all that fun stuff it would probably just increase the amount of movements back and forth.

Likewise, people keep talking about what the local employers are to suburbs like Riverlea in 2022. I mean great to know, but absolutely not guaranteed to be at all relevant in 2042 or 2062, and thinking about what the place could be like just a few decades from now should be a core part of urban planning.

That doesn't mean we can't build there, but if we are doing it we should be doing it right. If we want to build something that is explicitly not a commuter suburb then it has to be further away. If it's a commuter suburb then we need to acknowledge that and plan accordingly.
I suppose that long-term planning is what the 30 year Plan for Greater Adelaide is for. There are a lot of employment lands across Port Wakefield Road, but I can't remember what type of employment was envisioned for the area.

A revision to the current plan is due in the next few months, they are supposed to be revised every 5 years.

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Re: Riverlea (Buckland Park) | 12,000 dwellings | $3b

#407 Post by SBD » Wed Jun 22, 2022 10:21 am

Norman wrote:
Tue Jun 21, 2022 11:37 am
Nort wrote:
Tue Jun 21, 2022 10:00 am
SBD wrote:
Mon Jun 20, 2022 10:37 pm
I don't think extending commuter rail to the Barossa is a good idea, as it would destroy much of the reason people want to live there. Likewise, Mount Barker should be developed as a separate city, not a remote dormitory. The slope and curves are not condusive to offering a service that can compete with buses for Stirling, Bridgewater, Hahndorf, Balhannah and Mount Barker on the current alignment (or Oakbank, Woodside, Birdwood on that former branch) .
You keep saying it, but the fact is that it's close enough to Adelaide that it is effectively a suburb now, and will always be. In fact if Mount Barker got more industry and university campuses and all that fun stuff it would probably just increase the amount of movements back and forth.

Likewise, people keep talking about what the local employers are to suburbs like Riverlea in 2022. I mean great to know, but absolutely not guaranteed to be at all relevant in 2042 or 2062, and thinking about what the place could be like just a few decades from now should be a core part of urban planning.

That doesn't mean we can't build there, but if we are doing it we should be doing it right. If we want to build something that is explicitly not a commuter suburb then it has to be further away. If it's a commuter suburb then we need to acknowledge that and plan accordingly.
I suppose that long-term planning is what the 30 year Plan for Greater Adelaide is for. There are a lot of employment lands across Port Wakefield Road, but I can't remember what type of employment was envisioned for the area.

A revision to the current plan is due in the next few months, they are supposed to be revised every 5 years.
The areas around there have lots of greenhouses and market gardens. They have access to processed waste water from Bolivar treatment works. A lot were probably established to start with on the rich flood plains surrounding the Gawler River. There are also quite a few packing sheds etc for handling the produce. I imagine the area is suitable for road transport and logistics close to the National Highway, but quite a bit of that is in a fairly new area at Direk near Heaslip Road.

The Master Plan has an intent for a fairly significant retail area and schools, which of course also provide employment.

We seem to currently be seeing lots of new schools, including private schols/campuses. I wonder if some of these larger developments will lead to private hospitals and/or aged care in a few years too.

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Re: Riverlea (Buckland Park) | 12,000 dwellings | $3b

#408 Post by rev » Wed Jun 22, 2022 10:09 pm

Those market gardens are on borrowed time.

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Re: Riverlea (Buckland Park) | 12,000 dwellings | $3b

#409 Post by SBD » Thu Jun 23, 2022 6:25 pm

rev wrote:
Wed Jun 22, 2022 10:09 pm
Those market gardens are on borrowed time.
What percentage of the produce through the Adelaide Produce Market would come from the Virginia/Penfield/Angle Vale area? They’ve already built over a lot of the market gardens near Mount Barker. Where else grows a lot of veggies near Adelaide?

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