[COM] Festival Plaza Incl. 115m Tower | $800 million

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[COM] Re: Festival Plaza Incl. 115m Tower | $800 million

#1546 Post by Mr Smith » Fri Sep 16, 2022 7:02 pm

VinyTapestry849 wrote:
Fri Sep 16, 2022 12:52 pm
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Fri Sep 16, 2022 12:32 pm
Walker still pushing for a second tower: https://indaily.com.au/news/2022/09/16/ ... val-plaza/
If the second tower is taller then the other tower, then I'll support it.
100% 👍.

It needs to be 150m+ and sleek, ideally 200m, not another massive sq box. And in another glass colour, maybe gold. Something like Crown Sydney

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[COM] Re: Festival Plaza Incl. 115m Tower | $800 million

#1547 Post by SRW » Fri Sep 16, 2022 7:27 pm

Sorry, this is a fucking outrage. Walker Corp has already achieved a sweetheart deal to develop public land with minimal contribution to the public benefit. We have been swindled. And now the new government is giving them cover via the red herring of better parliamentary connection? A taller building will by its very nature lessen the connection between parliament and plaza! This is not a defence of the mediocre retail building, but the idea of a tall or taller tower coopting the place of nominally publicly accessible space is maddening.

I hope Rex Patrick gets up as Lord Mayor in November and brings his transparency fight to the wheeling and dealing of this boondoggle.
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[COM] Re: Festival Plaza Incl. 115m Tower | $800 million

#1548 Post by VinyTapestry849 » Fri Sep 16, 2022 8:30 pm

Mr Smith wrote:
Fri Sep 16, 2022 7:02 pm
VinyTapestry849 wrote:
Fri Sep 16, 2022 12:52 pm
gnrc_louis wrote:
Fri Sep 16, 2022 12:32 pm
Walker still pushing for a second tower: https://indaily.com.au/news/2022/09/16/ ... val-plaza/
If the second tower is taller then the other tower, then I'll support it.
100% 👍.

It needs to be 150m+ and sleek, ideally 200m, not another massive sq box. And in another glass colour, maybe gold. Something like Crown Sydney
I like your thinking my friend :cheers:

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[COM] Re: Festival Plaza Incl. 115m Tower | $800 million

#1549 Post by VinyTapestry849 » Fri Sep 16, 2022 8:32 pm

No.. actually I'd say 150m+ is too tall for the riverbank. It would look horribly out of place and take away from the rest of the city.

More 150m+ developments in the city! :applause:

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[COM] Re: Festival Plaza Incl. 115m Tower | $800 million

#1550 Post by HiTouch » Fri Sep 16, 2022 9:51 pm

SRW wrote:
Fri Sep 16, 2022 7:27 pm
Sorry, this is a fucking outrage. Walker Corp has already achieved a sweetheart deal to develop public land with minimal contribution to the public benefit. We have been swindled. And now the new government is giving them cover via the red herring of better parliamentary connection? A taller building will by its very nature lessen the connection between parliament and plaza! This is not a defence of the mediocre retail building, but the idea of a tall or taller tower coopting the place of nominally publicly accessible space is maddening.

I hope Rex Patrick gets up as Lord Mayor in November and brings his transparency fight to the wheeling and dealing of this boondoggle.
Totally agree, Walker Corp’s festival tower seemed as shady as the Barangaroo towers in Sydney. If they get a second, something is definitely up.

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[COM] Re: Festival Plaza Incl. 115m Tower | $800 million

#1551 Post by Prodical » Sat Sep 17, 2022 7:42 am

Quite a few crane sections on the site - I would expect a crane rise this weekend

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#1552 Post by gnrc_louis » Sat Sep 17, 2022 11:38 am


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#1553 Post by VinyTapestry849 » Sat Sep 17, 2022 1:57 pm

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Could someone post this please: https://www.adelaidenow.com.au/subscrib ... our=append
Second Festival Plaza tower should be considered for MPs’ and Premier’s offices: Nick Champion
A state minister has urged community debate about moving the Premier’s headquarters into a new tower next to Parliament House.

Debate about housing MPs’ offices and a relocated Premier’s headquarters at a second Festival Plaza tower next to Parliament House is being urged by Planning Minister Nick Champion.
In an interview with The Advertiser, Mr Champion said the prime CBD site’s developer, Walker Corporation, had indicated plans were likely to be lodged for another office tower.

Declaring the state government open to considering these, Mr Champion called for debate about integrating the civic square and parliament into the precinct’s development.
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“We’ve got a building here that was built in the earlier part of the last century and, obviously, things have changed in that time,” he said.
“We now need to contemplate how we get a parliament that properly functions. Having some modern office space is a sensible part of that debate.

“Having some modern civic space – that is what areas people use, whether it’s school groups, or other visitors or citizens coming to watch the parliament and the like – we should have a sensible debate about that as well.”

Asked whether the Premier’s office and other functions of Victoria Square’s State Administration Centre should move to any new Festival Plaza tower, Mr Champion said this too should be open to debate.
“I think that would be a separate but also useful debate. Obviously, Victoria Square has a life of its own,” he said.

“The Advertiser’s had articles about the age of that building. All of those things have to be considered in a proper debate about the way we’re going to structure our city.”
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An Advertiser article in early September canvassed shifting the Premier’s office to the Festival Plaza precinct, highlighting that the State Administration Centre building was constructed in 1967, opened in 1968 and, in a 1987 Advertiser report, was branded as unfit by a government office accommodation committee.

Then premier Steven Marshall, Flinders University vice-chancellor Colin Stirling and Walker Corporation chief executive David Gallant on November 29, 2021, launching the building of the Festival Tower and Plaza by Walker Corporation.

Flinders University is the anchor tenant in a 29-storey office tower being built just to the northwest of Parliament House, under a deal hammered out last November by the previous Liberal government.
This allowed the tower and an associated three-storey retail/entertainment complex to be built on the plaza – bounded by parliament, the Festival Centre, Adelaide Casino and King William Rd.

The deal also granted an extra lease of air space above the three-storey retail complex and a mechanism to allow Walker to request development rights to build a second tower that it has long coveted.
The-then treasurer Rob Lucas last November vowed he would not approve a second tower, declaring this would be open to a future government to consider.
A Walker Corporation spokesman said: “We respect the government’s comments and their concerns they have raised and we are working with them to ensure we deliver an exceptional outcome on this important site and one that meets their approval.”
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[COM] Re: Festival Plaza Incl. 115m Tower | $800 million

#1554 Post by gnrc_louis » Sat Sep 17, 2022 3:19 pm

VinyTapestry849 wrote:
Sat Sep 17, 2022 1:57 pm
gnrc_louis wrote:
Sat Sep 17, 2022 11:38 am
Could someone post this please: https://www.adelaidenow.com.au/subscrib ... our=append
Second Festival Plaza tower should be considered for MPs’ and Premier’s offices: Nick Champion
A state minister has urged community debate about moving the Premier’s headquarters into a new tower next to Parliament House.

Debate about housing MPs’ offices and a relocated Premier’s headquarters at a second Festival Plaza tower next to Parliament House is being urged by Planning Minister Nick Champion.
In an interview with The Advertiser, Mr Champion said the prime CBD site’s developer, Walker Corporation, had indicated plans were likely to be lodged for another office tower.

Declaring the state government open to considering these, Mr Champion called for debate about integrating the civic square and parliament into the precinct’s development.
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“We’ve got a building here that was built in the earlier part of the last century and, obviously, things have changed in that time,” he said.
“We now need to contemplate how we get a parliament that properly functions. Having some modern office space is a sensible part of that debate.

“Having some modern civic space – that is what areas people use, whether it’s school groups, or other visitors or citizens coming to watch the parliament and the like – we should have a sensible debate about that as well.”

Asked whether the Premier’s office and other functions of Victoria Square’s State Administration Centre should move to any new Festival Plaza tower, Mr Champion said this too should be open to debate.
“I think that would be a separate but also useful debate. Obviously, Victoria Square has a life of its own,” he said.

“The Advertiser’s had articles about the age of that building. All of those things have to be considered in a proper debate about the way we’re going to structure our city.”
Advertisement
An Advertiser article in early September canvassed shifting the Premier’s office to the Festival Plaza precinct, highlighting that the State Administration Centre building was constructed in 1967, opened in 1968 and, in a 1987 Advertiser report, was branded as unfit by a government office accommodation committee.

Then premier Steven Marshall, Flinders University vice-chancellor Colin Stirling and Walker Corporation chief executive David Gallant on November 29, 2021, launching the building of the Festival Tower and Plaza by Walker Corporation.

Flinders University is the anchor tenant in a 29-storey office tower being built just to the northwest of Parliament House, under a deal hammered out last November by the previous Liberal government.
This allowed the tower and an associated three-storey retail/entertainment complex to be built on the plaza – bounded by parliament, the Festival Centre, Adelaide Casino and King William Rd.

The deal also granted an extra lease of air space above the three-storey retail complex and a mechanism to allow Walker to request development rights to build a second tower that it has long coveted.
The-then treasurer Rob Lucas last November vowed he would not approve a second tower, declaring this would be open to a future government to consider.
A Walker Corporation spokesman said: “We respect the government’s comments and their concerns they have raised and we are working with them to ensure we deliver an exceptional outcome on this important site and one that meets their approval.”
Thanks. Sounds like Champion is sowing the seeds for Department of Premier and Cabinet to move from Vic Square to the possible second tower.

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[COM] Re: Festival Plaza Incl. 115m Tower | $800 million

#1555 Post by Ben » Mon Sep 19, 2022 6:14 pm

Massive crane rise today for both cranes.

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#1556 Post by Prodical » Thu Sep 22, 2022 11:18 am

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#1557 Post by AndyWelsh » Mon Sep 26, 2022 6:18 pm

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#1558 Post by Hex » Sun Oct 02, 2022 2:14 pm

Can anyone explain why this building is seemingly really expensive compared to similarly sized buildings in Adelaide?

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#1559 Post by gnrc_louis » Sun Oct 02, 2022 5:30 pm


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#1560 Post by Nort » Mon Oct 03, 2022 12:10 pm

Hex wrote:
Sun Oct 02, 2022 2:14 pm
Can anyone explain why this building is seemingly really expensive compared to similarly sized buildings in Adelaide?
It includes the costs for building the new plaza and underground carpark

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