News & Discussion: Public Transport Contracts, Service & Policy

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Re: News & Discussion: Public Transport Contracts, Service & Policy

#1981 Post by SRW » Thu Nov 24, 2022 7:01 am

Climate Council has released a state scoreboard for clean transport. South Australia is at the back of the pack, largely due to our much lower levels of active and public transport. For SA to continue to claim the mantle as a climate change leader leader (due to our energy sector) we need also plan for clean transport.

Report here: https://www.climatecouncil.org.au/resou ... rritories/

I think the easiest wins would be increasing active transport (cycling and walking should be far easier in our mostly flat and pleasant weather city) and electrifying public and private fleets. Lifting public transport use will likely take larger and longer investments.
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#1982 Post by Spotto » Thu Nov 24, 2022 9:48 am

Tom Koutsantonis posted about the Grange train overshoot on his Facebook page. He seems certain that the contract with Keolis Downer will be torn up in this term.
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Re: News & Discussion: Public Transport Contracts, Service & Policy

#1983 Post by rubberman » Thu Nov 24, 2022 12:26 pm

SRW wrote:
Thu Nov 24, 2022 7:01 am
Climate Council has released a state scoreboard for clean transport. South Australia is at the back of the pack, largely due to our much lower levels of active and public transport. For SA to continue to claim the mantle as a climate change leader leader (due to our energy sector) we need also plan for clean transport.

Report here: https://www.climatecouncil.org.au/resou ... rritories/

I think the easiest wins would be increasing active transport (cycling and walking should be far easier in our mostly flat and pleasant weather city) and electrifying public and private fleets. Lifting public transport use will likely take larger and longer investments.
There's been a lot of work done on this in Europe. They've tried full battery buses as well as trolleybuses with no batteries and trolleybuses with smaller batteries for limited travel without wires. So, there's a lot of information out there.

Prague, for example, has decided on trolleybuses with smaller batteries to replace much of its diesel bus fleet. The smaller batteries allow wire free operation in visually sensitive areas and to avoid expensive overhead wiring junctions. The overhead wire operation allows those smaller batteries to charge on the run, so no delays at termini, and the smaller batteries reduce the bus weight, allowing more passengers. Prague has already finished its experimental phase, and has commissioned its first permanent line.

This style of operation also makes more use of solar energy, since rather than charge at night, charging is during the day when the bulk of operation (including both peak hours) occurs.

For a general idea.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trolleybuses_in_Prague

The Wikipedia page is out of date - as per the official PT site, they are running now.

https://pid.cz/jizdni-rady-podle-linek/trolejbusy/

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Re: News & Discussion: Public Transport Contracts, Service & Policy

#1984 Post by SRW » Thu Nov 24, 2022 1:57 pm

rubberman wrote:
Thu Nov 24, 2022 12:26 pm
SRW wrote:
Thu Nov 24, 2022 7:01 am
Climate Council has released a state scoreboard for clean transport. South Australia is at the back of the pack, largely due to our much lower levels of active and public transport. For SA to continue to claim the mantle as a climate change leader leader (due to our energy sector) we need also plan for clean transport.

Report here: https://www.climatecouncil.org.au/resou ... rritories/

I think the easiest wins would be increasing active transport (cycling and walking should be far easier in our mostly flat and pleasant weather city) and electrifying public and private fleets. Lifting public transport use will likely take larger and longer investments.
There's been a lot of work done on this in Europe. They've tried full battery buses as well as trolleybuses with no batteries and trolleybuses with smaller batteries for limited travel without wires. So, there's a lot of information out there.

Prague, for example, has decided on trolleybuses with smaller batteries to replace much of its diesel bus fleet. The smaller batteries allow wire free operation in visually sensitive areas and to avoid expensive overhead wiring junctions. The overhead wire operation allows those smaller batteries to charge on the run, so no delays at termini, and the smaller batteries reduce the bus weight, allowing more passengers. Prague has already finished its experimental phase, and has commissioned its first permanent line.

This style of operation also makes more use of solar energy, since rather than charge at night, charging is during the day when the bulk of operation (including both peak hours) occurs.

For a general idea.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trolleybuses_in_Prague

The Wikipedia page is out of date - as per the official PT site, they are running now.

https://pid.cz/jizdni-rady-podle-linek/trolejbusy/
I know the state gov has committed to purchasing no more diesal buses but to my knowledge has not set a date to convert the full fleet to electric. This could be achieved by 2035 or earlier.

I think there may be an argument for trolley buses on the O-Bahn (it should have been from the start) but I think battery tech will probably outclass for all other routes. Meanwhile, electrify Outer Harbor yesterday (without reopening argument about light vs heavy).
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Re: News & Discussion: Public Transport Contracts, Service & Policy

#1985 Post by ChillyPhilly » Thu Nov 24, 2022 2:07 pm

It's a pipe dream, but the Grange line should be extended southward and even eastward, with stops at Henley Beach, West Beach and the Airport. It could then link back to existing rail around Mile End with other stops along the way, completing a nice western rail loop. It would have to be largely underground, which is an engineering challenge close to the coast.

This would make the argument for electrifying the OH and Grange line that much easier!
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Re: News & Discussion: Public Transport Contracts, Service & Policy

#1986 Post by rubberman » Thu Nov 24, 2022 6:44 pm

SRW wrote:
Thu Nov 24, 2022 1:57 pm
rubberman wrote:
Thu Nov 24, 2022 12:26 pm
SRW wrote:
Thu Nov 24, 2022 7:01 am
Climate Council has released a state scoreboard for clean transport. South Australia is at the back of the pack, largely due to our much lower levels of active and public transport. For SA to continue to claim the mantle as a climate change leader leader (due to our energy sector) we need also plan for clean transport.

Report here: https://www.climatecouncil.org.au/resou ... rritories/

I think the easiest wins would be increasing active transport (cycling and walking should be far easier in our mostly flat and pleasant weather city) and electrifying public and private fleets. Lifting public transport use will likely take larger and longer investments.
There's been a lot of work done on this in Europe. They've tried full battery buses as well as trolleybuses with no batteries and trolleybuses with smaller batteries for limited travel without wires. So, there's a lot of information out there.

Prague, for example, has decided on trolleybuses with smaller batteries to replace much of its diesel bus fleet. The smaller batteries allow wire free operation in visually sensitive areas and to avoid expensive overhead wiring junctions. The overhead wire operation allows those smaller batteries to charge on the run, so no delays at termini, and the smaller batteries reduce the bus weight, allowing more passengers. Prague has already finished its experimental phase, and has commissioned its first permanent line.

This style of operation also makes more use of solar energy, since rather than charge at night, charging is during the day when the bulk of operation (including both peak hours) occurs.

For a general idea.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trolleybuses_in_Prague

The Wikipedia page is out of date - as per the official PT site, they are running now.

https://pid.cz/jizdni-rady-podle-linek/trolejbusy/
I know the state gov has committed to purchasing no more diesal buses but to my knowledge has not set a date to convert the full fleet to electric. This could be achieved by 2035 or earlier.

I think there may be an argument for trolley buses on the O-Bahn (it should have been from the start) but I think battery tech will probably outclass for all other routes. Meanwhile, electrify Outer Harbor yesterday (without reopening argument about light vs heavy).
Battery tech doesn't outclass others at the moment because it either takes up too much room vs trolleybus/small Battery, or it requires 20-30 mins charging at termini.

However, I bet you are right, and the State Government will buy 100% Battery buses despite all the technical trials having been done showing otherwise. I mean they bought Citadis trams, didn't they! :hilarious:

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Re: News & Discussion: Public Transport Contracts, Service & Policy

#1987 Post by cocoiadrop » Thu Dec 01, 2022 4:24 pm

Strike action for TT drivers on the table over Christmas/NY https://indaily.com.au/news/2022/12/01/ ... -christmas

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Re: News & Discussion: Public Transport Contracts, Service & Policy

#1988 Post by Brucetiki » Fri Dec 02, 2022 11:25 am

cocoiadrop wrote:
Thu Dec 01, 2022 4:24 pm
Strike action for TT drivers on the table over Christmas/NY https://indaily.com.au/news/2022/12/01/ ... -christmas
Given how unreliable Torrens Transit services are (not to mention how dangerous some of their drivers drive), the drivers aren’t really in a position to be calling strike action.

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