News & Discussion: Other Metropolitan Developments

[rhino]

You can't push people away from one mode of transport, without providing an alternative that provides convenience.

^^This^^

[Nathan]

lol wow

I didn't hold back.

The problem imho isn't cars, the problem is a lack of public transport options for the majority.
We're building huge housing estates in the north, and most are nowhere near a train line.
You can't push people away from one mode of transport, without providing an alternative that provides convenience.

It's not just public transport, that's only one part of the puzzle. Having everyday shops and services within walking distance is also key to reducing car dependence, otherwise you get people catching the train home to then immediately hop in their car to go to the supermarket or pharmacy — they still need that car. Same goes for local third places, and activities and places to meet for kids/teenagers. These low density housing estates they keep planning on the city fringe are just residential enclaves that are just requiring every single person in the household over the age of 16 to have their own individual car, even if there's a token train station with a bus stop shelter tucked away at the furthest corner of the development.

[Nort]

I didn't hold back.

The problem imho isn't cars, the problem is a lack of public transport options for the majority.
We're building huge housing estates in the north, and most are nowhere near a train line.
You can't push people away from one mode of transport, without providing an alternative that provides convenience.

It's not just public transport, that's only one part of the puzzle. Having everyday shops and services within walking distance is also key to reducing car dependence, otherwise you get people catching the train home to then immediately hop in their car to go to the supermarket or pharmacy — they still need that car. Same goes for local third places, and activities and places to meet for kids/teenagers. These low density housing estates they keep planning on the city fringe are just residential enclaves that are just requiring every single person in the household over the age of 16 to have their own individual car, even if there's a token train station with a bus stop shelter tucked away at the furthest corner of the development.

Exactly. Train line should go into the center of the town, right where the shops and other services are. Dense housing around that, and then more spread out stuff.

[ChillyPhilly]

Satire - or is it?

https://adelaidemail.com/single-post/20 ... tGOuBglh8A

[Prodical]

The apartments at Mile End this morning - looks like the final height.

[SBD]

The problem imho isn't cars, the problem is a lack of public transport options for the majority.
We're building huge housing estates in the north, and most are nowhere near a train line.
You can't push people away from one mode of transport, without providing an alternative that provides convenience.

It's not just public transport, that's only one part of the puzzle. Having everyday shops and services within walking distance is also key to reducing car dependence, otherwise you get people catching the train home to then immediately hop in their car to go to the supermarket or pharmacy — they still need that car. Same goes for local third places, and activities and places to meet for kids/teenagers. These low density housing estates they keep planning on the city fringe are just residential enclaves that are just requiring every single person in the household over the age of 16 to have their own individual car, even if there's a token train station with a bus stop shelter tucked away at the furthest corner of the development.

Exactly. Train line should go into the center of the town, right where the shops and other services are. Dense housing around that, and then more spread out stuff.

Last week's announcement about the next stage of Playford Alive at Munno Para is filling in the land near the railway line. It's been vacant for a decade with one row of townhouses part-way along the street to the railway station. Once it's complete, the station will be in the middle of residential space, as the east side of the railway was developed in the 1970s.

[Cryptic]

It's not just public transport, that's only one part of the puzzle. Having everyday shops and services within walking distance is also key to reducing car dependence, otherwise you get people catching the train home to then immediately hop in their car to go to the supermarket or pharmacy — they still need that car. Same goes for local third places, and activities and places to meet for kids/teenagers. These low density housing estates they keep planning on the city fringe are just residential enclaves that are just requiring every single person in the household over the age of 16 to have their own individual car, even if there's a token train station with a bus stop shelter tucked away at the furthest corner of the development.

Exactly. Train line should go into the center of the town, right where the shops and other services are. Dense housing around that, and then more spread out stuff.

Last week's announcement about the next stage of Playford Alive at Munno Para is filling in the land near the railway line. It's been vacant for a decade with one row of townhouses part-way along the street to the railway station. Once it's complete, the station will be in the middle of residential space, as the east side of the railway was developed in the 1970s.

I have noticed that a fair few of the new housing developments recently have been centred on rail lines which is good to see. Playford Alive expansion, the old oil refinery development at Lonsdale, former kaufland site in prospect etc. Thats in addition to Aldinga and Concordia which are being *investigated* for a potential rail extension, which while I wont hold my breath for an actual extension, its good to see its being thought about. All of these are much better than something like Riverlea.

[Howie]

Mitcham council accidentally published plans for a $300m hospital, 1000+ homes, 2,500 bed student accommodation at Flinders Uni site.

[Bobski]

Woah.

[Mpol02]

Building out and around prominent and populated areas like this is great. Yes yes yes

[abc]

Building out and around prominent and populated areas like this is great. Yes yes yes

not at the expense of green space

[ChillyPhilly]

Excellent to see.

A big boon for this would be improving pedestrian access between Flinders Station and the Medical Centre. The current path is narrow and not overly disability-friendly.

[Patrick_27]

As it should be. Personally, I'd have preferred to see the government invest in an entirely new hospitalty at Tonsley when that site first became available and Flinders University takeover the current FMC site for a new campus. My only concern with building up around this space, and I've expressed this before is the lack of consideration for a potential extension to the Flinders Line beyond to Flagstaff Hill/Happy Valley.

[PeFe]

As it should be. Personally, I'd have preferred to see the government invest in an entirely new hospitalty at Tonsley when that site first became available and Flinders University takeover the current FMC site for a new campus. My only concern with building up around this space, and I've expressed this before is the lack of consideration for a potential extension to the Flinders Line beyond to Flagstaff Hill/Happy Valley.

Sorry but Aberfoyle Park and Flagstaff Hill do not deserve a train service.

A quick search on the internet and....

Aberfoyle Park......11,234 people.....1920 people per square kilometre

Flagstaff Hill.......10,184 people.......1258 per square kilometre

I think the transport standard is something like 5000 per square kilometre justifies a tram 10,000 per square kilometre justifies a metro/heavy rail service.

And the chances in the future these suburbs will densify.......zero.

Its a pity the Flinders train didn't reach the university.....an obvious huge trip generator so I think a decent bus service is the best hope for Aberfoyle Park and Flagstaff Hill. Personally I would like see a bus that connects these suburbs to FMC and Marion Shopping Centre and Oaklands train station (covering the city, health and shopping destinations)

Back to the Flinders Health City proposal......a big thumbs up for me.

And mods I think this discussion should really be in the FMC thread....what do others think?

[[Shuz]]

Terrible proposal.

Not happy that it effectively blocks any likelihood of a train service extension to Happy Valley and beyond.