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Refusing to do anything about bullying makes you no better than a bully. In fact, you only allow the appalling behaviour to continue to fester. Albo comes across as a coward too afraid to stand up to Labor's bullies.SRW wrote: ↑Sun Apr 03, 2022 12:22 pmThis is false equivalence. There's a qualitative difference in that there are multiple, detailed and continuing accusations against Scott Morrison himself.
You mean the same husband heavily involved in ALP politics and known for his ratfucking? Jesus, a simple Google search and read of his Wikipedia page will tell you the man's LONG history of involvement in internal ALP politics. Yes, definitely "no interest in political point scoring."A-Town wrote: ↑Sun Apr 03, 2022 5:22 pmHer husband - who would have no interest in political point scoring - was pretty scathing about the bullying that Kitching endured by her Labor colleagues. Penny Wong taking aim at Kitching being childless as a reason for Kitching supposedly not caring about climate change is a cheap shot by a high-ranking Labor politician. There would no doubt have been a lot more bullying directed at her that hasn't made the public eye... yet.gnrc_louis wrote: ↑Sun Apr 03, 2022 12:37 pmExactly. What people are (willfully, perhaps) also missing, is that Kitching herself was a factional warrior. Factional warriors - in both parties, have the primary role of keeping their faction in line, as well as acts of bastardy against the other faction/s. Yes - it's a fairly nasty business, but it's also entrenched and commonplace, as well as being an internally accepted way of keeping political parties cohesive. Ironically, in itself an act of factional bastardy, one faction is weaponising her death - primarily to score points against the opposing faction.
What should Albanese do? Hold an inquiry into the factions and how they behave with one another? You seem to fail to understand that this all broadly stems from an internal factional dispute - not dissimilar to the one we are currently seeing within the NSW Liberal Party. You're looking at this through the lens of purely bullying, when there's more complex factional issues at play, which are the primary driver behind all of this story. Guy Rundle has written some good stories about the factions of late, including this one: https://www.crikey.com.au/2022/03/22/ki ... wife-more/. This sort of factional brutality is nothing new, except in this instance, unfortunately a death has corresponded with it.A-Town wrote: ↑Sun Apr 03, 2022 5:24 pmRefusing to do anything about bullying makes you no better than a bully. In fact, you only allow the appalling behaviour to continue to fester. Albo comes across as a coward too afraid to stand up to Labor's bullies.
This response indicates that you’re either out of your depth or interested only in politicking, in which case I’d point out that your efforts on a niche Internet forum are wasted.A-Town wrote: ↑Sun Apr 03, 2022 5:22 pmHer husband - who would have no interest in political point scoring - was pretty scathing about the bullying that Kitching endured by her Labor colleagues. Penny Wong taking aim at Kitching being childless as a reason for Kitching supposedly not caring about climate change is a cheap shot by a high-ranking Labor politician. There would no doubt have been a lot more bullying directed at her that hasn't made the public eye... yet.gnrc_louis wrote: ↑Sun Apr 03, 2022 12:37 pmExactly. What people are (willfully, perhaps) also missing, is that Kitching herself was a factional warrior. Factional warriors - in both parties, have the primary role of keeping their faction in line, as well as acts of bastardy against the other faction/s. Yes - it's a fairly nasty business, but it's also entrenched and commonplace, as well as being an internally accepted way of keeping political parties cohesive. Ironically, in itself an act of factional bastardy, one faction is weaponising her death - primarily to score points against the opposing faction.
It's a form of workplace bullying. Like it or not, Albo has a responsibility to do his best to stamp it out. What kind of example and precedent does it set if he ignores it? Factional brutality is nothing new, yes, but what good is it doing to anyone, Labor or Liberal, if we just carry on with the status quo? If Albo stood up to Labor's bullies, he'd be doing himself and his party a huge favour.gnrc_louis wrote: ↑Sun Apr 03, 2022 5:50 pmWhat should Albanese do? Hold an inquiry into the factions and how they behave with one another? You seem to fail to understand that this all broadly stems from an internal factional dispute - not dissimilar to the one we are currently seeing within the NSW Liberal Party. You're looking at this through the lens of purely bullying, when there's more complex factional issues at play, which are the primary driver behind all of this story. Guy Rundle has written some good stories about the factions of late, including this one: https://www.crikey.com.au/2022/03/22/ki ... wife-more/. This sort of factional brutality is nothing new, except in this instance, unfortunately a death has corresponded with it.
It's a little concerning that you're so willing to dismiss workplace bullying simply because it's 'the nature of internal party politics'. That doesn't make it okay. Albo had an opportunity to show the country his true leadership credentials by ousting Labor's bullies, but he cowered away. Disappointing, as it's been a long time since this country had a strong and competent leader.gnrc_louis wrote: ↑Sun Apr 03, 2022 5:35 pmYou mean the same husband heavily involved in ALP politics and known for his ratfucking? Jesus, a simple Google search and read of his Wikipedia page will tell you the man's LONG history of involvement in internal ALP politics. Yes, definitely "no interest in political point scoring."A-Town wrote: ↑Sun Apr 03, 2022 5:22 pmHer husband - who would have no interest in political point scoring - was pretty scathing about the bullying that Kitching endured by her Labor colleagues. Penny Wong taking aim at Kitching being childless as a reason for Kitching supposedly not caring about climate change is a cheap shot by a high-ranking Labor politician. There would no doubt have been a lot more bullying directed at her that hasn't made the public eye... yet.gnrc_louis wrote: ↑Sun Apr 03, 2022 12:37 pm
Exactly. What people are (willfully, perhaps) also missing, is that Kitching herself was a factional warrior. Factional warriors - in both parties, have the primary role of keeping their faction in line, as well as acts of bastardy against the other faction/s. Yes - it's a fairly nasty business, but it's also entrenched and commonplace, as well as being an internally accepted way of keeping political parties cohesive. Ironically, in itself an act of factional bastardy, one faction is weaponising her death - primarily to score points against the opposing faction.
Again, there might be more "bullying" directed at her that hasn't yet surfaced but she undoubtedly would've done plenty of her own "bullying" too. As in my previous post which you evidently ignored or are being purposely obtuse to - that's the nature of internal party politics and the role that factional players like Kitching play. Yes - it's unpleasant, but it's quite different from the bullying that would generally be associated with the word.
You’re evidently not understanding the point I’m making and don’t seem to understand internal party politics more broadly. You’ve also not addressed any of the points I made and as such I won’t bother to engage any further. Take careA-Town wrote: ↑Sun Apr 03, 2022 8:14 pmIt's a little concerning that you're so willing to dismiss workplace bullying simply because it's 'the nature of internal party politics'. That doesn't make it okay. Albo had an opportunity to show the country his true leadership credentials by ousting Labor's bullies, but he cowered away. Disappointing, as it's been a long time since this country had a strong and competent leader.gnrc_louis wrote: ↑Sun Apr 03, 2022 5:35 pmYou mean the same husband heavily involved in ALP politics and known for his ratfucking? Jesus, a simple Google search and read of his Wikipedia page will tell you the man's LONG history of involvement in internal ALP politics. Yes, definitely "no interest in political point scoring."A-Town wrote: ↑Sun Apr 03, 2022 5:22 pm
Her husband - who would have no interest in political point scoring - was pretty scathing about the bullying that Kitching endured by her Labor colleagues. Penny Wong taking aim at Kitching being childless as a reason for Kitching supposedly not caring about climate change is a cheap shot by a high-ranking Labor politician. There would no doubt have been a lot more bullying directed at her that hasn't made the public eye... yet.
Again, there might be more "bullying" directed at her that hasn't yet surfaced but she undoubtedly would've done plenty of her own "bullying" too. As in my previous post which you evidently ignored or are being purposely obtuse to - that's the nature of internal party politics and the role that factional players like Kitching play. Yes - it's unpleasant, but it's quite different from the bullying that would generally be associated with the word.
The only point you made was that internal party politics is different as should be treated as such. We all know it can be brutal and backstabbing seems to be second nature to ego-driven pollies. But why should that make them untouchable, and why should we not push for their actions to change when it comes to bullying? Canberra has long been a cesspit of dirtbag politicians who've gotten away with much more than the common person ever would. Stamping out such behaviour takes real leadership, and unfortunately Albo in this instance has miserably failed.gnrc_louis wrote: ↑Sun Apr 03, 2022 8:42 pmYou’re evidently not understanding the point I’m making and don’t seem to understand internal party politics more broadly. You’ve also not addressed any of the points I made and as such I won’t bother to engage any further. Take careA-Town wrote: ↑Sun Apr 03, 2022 8:14 pmIt's a little concerning that you're so willing to dismiss workplace bullying simply because it's 'the nature of internal party politics'. That doesn't make it okay. Albo had an opportunity to show the country his true leadership credentials by ousting Labor's bullies, but he cowered away. Disappointing, as it's been a long time since this country had a strong and competent leader.gnrc_louis wrote: ↑Sun Apr 03, 2022 5:35 pm
You mean the same husband heavily involved in ALP politics and known for his ratfucking? Jesus, a simple Google search and read of his Wikipedia page will tell you the man's LONG history of involvement in internal ALP politics. Yes, definitely "no interest in political point scoring."
Again, there might be more "bullying" directed at her that hasn't yet surfaced but she undoubtedly would've done plenty of her own "bullying" too. As in my previous post which you evidently ignored or are being purposely obtuse to - that's the nature of internal party politics and the role that factional players like Kitching play. Yes - it's unpleasant, but it's quite different from the bullying that would generally be associated with the word.
Given they either didn't know who Andrew Landeryou is or conveniently overlooked that context, I think you can safely assume the latter to be their goal. But again, odd choice to prosecute it on Sensational-Adelaide Dot Com given it's not exactly a large audience of swinging voters.Nort wrote: ↑Mon Apr 04, 2022 8:41 pmA-Town do you have some knowledge about what is happening inside Labor in response to this, or are you sharing in the view that they should be publicly flagellating themselves and making more news about discussion of their bullying responses while the PM gets away with much less attention for much worse?
From a political perspective, if I look at people here, lots are interested in public transport and decent development. So, is it that there are few swinging voters here, OR that there's no alternative to swing to?SRW wrote: ↑Mon Apr 04, 2022 10:35 pmGiven they either didn't know who Andrew Landeryou is or conveniently overlooked that context, I think you can safely assume the latter to be their goal. But again, odd choice to prosecute it on Sensational-Adelaide Dot Com given it's not exactly a large audience of swinging voters.Nort wrote: ↑Mon Apr 04, 2022 8:41 pmA-Town do you have some knowledge about what is happening inside Labor in response to this, or are you sharing in the view that they should be publicly flagellating themselves and making more news about discussion of their bullying responses while the PM gets away with much less attention for much worse?
Polls that have previously taken place on this forum would indicate that most users are fairly settled in their views, but the larger point is there are too few voters here of any persuasion to make a meaningful impact on the campaign at large. So we can do without incorrigible partisans waging victoryless battles of the sort that clog up other platforms.rubberman wrote: ↑Tue Apr 05, 2022 12:43 pmFrom a political perspective, if I look at people here, lots are interested in public transport and decent development. So, is it that there are few swinging voters here, OR that there's no alternative to swing to?SRW wrote: ↑Mon Apr 04, 2022 10:35 pmGiven they either didn't know who Andrew Landeryou is or conveniently overlooked that context, I think you can safely assume the latter to be their goal. But again, odd choice to prosecute it on Sensational-Adelaide Dot Com given it's not exactly a large audience of swinging voters.Nort wrote: ↑Mon Apr 04, 2022 8:41 pmA-Town do you have some knowledge about what is happening inside Labor in response to this, or are you sharing in the view that they should be publicly flagellating themselves and making more news about discussion of their bullying responses while the PM gets away with much less attention for much worse?
Are people "rusted on", or is there just a scarcity of reasonable alternatives? If you believe the polls (ha) there's a lot of people who have swung since the last election.
