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Re: News & Discussion: Electricity Infrastructure
Posted: Wed Jan 29, 2025 8:15 pm
by abc
[Shuz] wrote: ↑Wed Jan 29, 2025 6:15 pm
$500 per month!?
For one or two people?
That seems extraordinarily excessive.
Mine averages 300/350 a quarter split between 2 people.
newsflash... Europe has a real winter
Re: News & Discussion: Electricity Infrastructure
Posted: Wed Jan 29, 2025 8:49 pm
by Algernon
abc wrote: ↑Wed Jan 29, 2025 8:15 pm
[Shuz] wrote: ↑Wed Jan 29, 2025 6:15 pm
$500 per month!?
For one or two people?
That seems extraordinarily excessive.
Mine averages 300/350 a quarter split between 2 people.
newsflash... Europe has a real winter
Not anymore. This place used to be under a metre of snow in April 20 years ago. I know this from watching the family videos with my wife's family. Nowadays, you get a few snow days per winter. And it's melted within the hour. Right now it's 9 degrees celsius. For January, historicall it's fucking incredible but it's the reality we live in now. I'm literally wearing a tshirt on home office, no heater running.
Buildings are built or refurbished to a fairly good energy efficiency these days. My building is highly typical of a refurbished building - plastic framed double pane glass windows are installed and insulation is added to the exterior. It a fibrous insulation material about a half foot thick which is directly applied to the old cement facade, then it's rendered over. This combined with a central boiler of a certain rating brings the buildings to a C rating for energy efficiency (scale A-G). This building is rated C (you're legally required to disclose the energy rating/show the certificate when properties change hands, otherwise you're obliged to label it G). All buildings redone like this get to a C rating. It's funny when people use the expression "commie block" - the Commie Blocks don't look like this anymore because they've had the insulation added. Now the only 'commie' block is your old school London/Gasglow shitheap state housing blocks, no communism in sight.
Regarding heating, I've run the heater 3 times this Winter. It's been super mild again this year (last cold winter was 2019). The expense that kills you is the hot water which is an electric central boiler. It's grid electricity, nuclear power bill for your water.
My building is far more efficient than unfurbished buildings. A lot of them outside the city still have coal heating. Not coal electricity, an actual pit of coal in the basement and a burner. The air is fucking putrid in those places.
If you want my nuclear and I want your renewables, let's do that deal. You pay my bill and I'll pay yours. Seriously let's do it. Shoot us a DM and let's do that deal. I'll pay your neighbour's as well.
Re: News & Discussion: Electricity Infrastructure
Posted: Wed Jan 29, 2025 9:00 pm
by Algernon
[Shuz] wrote: ↑Wed Jan 29, 2025 6:15 pm
$500 per month!?
For one or two people?
That seems extraordinarily excessive.
Mine averages 300/350 a quarter split between 2 people.
57sqm, 2 people and a little person. Heater not running. Way it works here is you prepay the bill, then you either pay the difference or get reimbursed at the end of the cycle if the amount prepaid doesn't match the final bill.
Our prepay is 5000 cz crowns which is $332 AU at the moment. We were here for the final 4 months of the billing period and asked to settle a debt of 13,000 at the end of the year. We went 20,000 over on hot water and 7,000 under on heating. That's another 816 AUD or $216 per month. So, 332 + 216 = 548 per month. In a small apartment in an efficient building that doesn't need heating.
Nuclear is cheap? LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!
Re: News & Discussion: Electricity Infrastructure
Posted: Wed Jan 29, 2025 9:02 pm
by abc
Algernon wrote: ↑Wed Jan 29, 2025 8:49 pm
abc wrote: ↑Wed Jan 29, 2025 8:15 pm
[Shuz] wrote: ↑Wed Jan 29, 2025 6:15 pm
$500 per month!?
For one or two people?
That seems extraordinarily excessive.
Mine averages 300/350 a quarter split between 2 people.
newsflash... Europe has a real winter
Not anymore. This place used to be under a metre of snow in April 20 years ago. I know this from watching the family videos with my wife's family. Nowadays, you get a few snow days per winter. And it's melted within the hour. Right now it's 9 degrees celsius. For January, historicall it's fucking incredible but it's the reality we live in now. I'm literally wearing a tshirt on home office, no heater running.
Buildings are built or refurbished to a fairly good energy efficiency these days. My building is highly typical of a refurbished building - plastic framed double pane glass windows are installed and insulation is added to the exterior. It a fibrous insulation material about a half foot thick which is directly applied to the old cement facade, then it's rendered over. This combined with a central boiler of a certain rating brings the buildings to a C rating for energy efficiency (scale A-G). This building is rated C (you're legally required to disclose the energy rating/show the certificate when properties change hands, otherwise you're obliged to label it G). All buildings redone like this get to a C rating. It's funny when people use the expression "commie block" - the Commie Blocks don't look like this anymore because they've had the insulation added. Now the only 'commie' block is your old school London/Gasglow shitheap state housing blocks, no communism in sight.
Regarding heating, I've run the heater 3 times this Winter. It's been super mild again this year (last cold winter was 2019). The expense that kills you is the hot water which is an electric central boiler. It's grid electricity, nuclear power bill for your water.
My building is far more efficient than unfurbished buildings. A lot of them outside the city still have coal heating. Not coal electricity, an actual pit of coal in the basement and a burner. The air is fucking putrid in those places.
If you want my nuclear and I want your renewables, let's do that deal. You pay my bill and I'll pay yours. Seriously let's do it. Shoot us a DM and let's do that deal. I'll pay your neighbour's as well.
so last year we had our coldest September in 40 years
I guess the greenhouse effect is not for the whole planet...
Re: News & Discussion: Electricity Infrastructure
Posted: Thu Jan 30, 2025 1:42 am
by bits
My familes electricity bill for the last quarter in Adelaide is a credit of $51.
This is with 5kw of solar panels and 5kw of batteries.
Both are considered fairly small.
I am very electricity conscious eg I have evaporative airconditioning instead of reverse cycle. However to keep things at a cosy 23C in summer it is running almost all day every day and often at night also.
Solar and battery costs mean I have a couple more years to go before I fully recover the cost of the equipment. Assuming a quarterly bill of about $500.
Sooner if VPP offers for use of my battery to support the grid continue to be lucrative.
For the month of January I was 93% self sufficient with 7% of my January electricity coming from the grid.
I exported far more than that 7% during the middle of the days but a battery to store it likely would not pay for itself before it reached end of life.
Re: News & Discussion: Electricity Infrastructure
Posted: Thu Jan 30, 2025 10:55 am
by rubberman
bits wrote: ↑Thu Jan 30, 2025 1:42 am
My familes electricity bill for the last quarter in Adelaide is a credit of $51.
This is with 5kw of solar panels and 5kw of batteries.
Both are considered fairly small.
I am very electricity conscious eg I have evaporative airconditioning instead of reverse cycle. However to keep things at a cosy 23C in summer it is running almost all day every day and often at night also.
Solar and battery costs mean I have a couple more years to go before I fully recover the cost of the equipment. Assuming a quarterly bill of about $500.
Sooner if VPP offers for use of my battery to support the grid continue to be lucrative.
For the month of January I was 93% self sufficient with 7% of my January electricity coming from the grid.
I exported far more than that 7% during the middle of the days but a battery to store it likely would not pay for itself before it reached end of life.
Exactly. And if a single domestic customer can run a solar system economically, then large generators with economies of scale should be able to do it cheaper.
High power prices are not the fault of renewables if individual home owners can do it cheaper using renewables.
Re: News & Discussion: Electricity Infrastructure
Posted: Thu Jan 30, 2025 12:22 pm
by rev
bits wrote: ↑Thu Jan 30, 2025 1:42 am
My familes electricity bill for the last quarter in Adelaide is a credit of $51.
This is with 5kw of solar panels and 5kw of batteries.
Both are considered fairly small.
I am very electricity conscious eg I have evaporative airconditioning instead of reverse cycle. However to keep things at a cosy 23C in summer it is running almost all day every day and often at night also.
Solar and battery costs mean I have a couple more years to go before I fully recover the cost of the equipment. Assuming a quarterly bill of about $500.
Sooner if VPP offers for use of my battery to support the grid continue to be lucrative.
For the month of January I was 93% self sufficient with 7% of my January electricity coming from the grid.
I exported far more than that 7% during the middle of the days but a battery to store it likely would not pay for itself before it reached end of life.
What's your general electricity use like on an average day compared to running the aircon all day?
Re: News & Discussion: Electricity Infrastructure
Posted: Thu Jan 30, 2025 2:02 pm
by mattblack
abc wrote: ↑Wed Jan 29, 2025 9:02 pm
Algernon wrote: ↑Wed Jan 29, 2025 8:49 pm
abc wrote: ↑Wed Jan 29, 2025 8:15 pm
newsflash... Europe has a real winter
Not anymore. This place used to be under a metre of snow in April 20 years ago. I know this from watching the family videos with my wife's family. Nowadays, you get a few snow days per winter. And it's melted within the hour. Right now it's 9 degrees celsius. For January, historicall it's fucking incredible but it's the reality we live in now. I'm literally wearing a tshirt on home office, no heater running.
Buildings are built or refurbished to a fairly good energy efficiency these days. My building is highly typical of a refurbished building - plastic framed double pane glass windows are installed and insulation is added to the exterior. It a fibrous insulation material about a half foot thick which is directly applied to the old cement facade, then it's rendered over. This combined with a central boiler of a certain rating brings the buildings to a C rating for energy efficiency (scale A-G). This building is rated C (you're legally required to disclose the energy rating/show the certificate when properties change hands, otherwise you're obliged to label it G). All buildings redone like this get to a C rating. It's funny when people use the expression "commie block" - the Commie Blocks don't look like this anymore because they've had the insulation added. Now the only 'commie' block is your old school London/Gasglow shitheap state housing blocks, no communism in sight.
Regarding heating, I've run the heater 3 times this Winter. It's been super mild again this year (last cold winter was 2019). The expense that kills you is the hot water which is an electric central boiler. It's grid electricity, nuclear power bill for your water.
My building is far more efficient than unfurbished buildings. A lot of them outside the city still have coal heating. Not coal electricity, an actual pit of coal in the basement and a burner. The air is fucking putrid in those places.
If you want my nuclear and I want your renewables, let's do that deal. You pay my bill and I'll pay yours. Seriously let's do it. Shoot us a DM and let's do that deal. I'll pay your neighbour's as well.
so last year we had our coldest September in 40 years
I guess the greenhouse effect is not for the whole planet...
abc, you posted a nice little graph about electricity prices a few days ago to try and prove a point, how bout u post one with average global/ Australian temps since 2007 to prove the point that the Greehouse effect isn't impacting the whole planet.
Re: News & Discussion: Electricity Infrastructure
Posted: Thu Jan 30, 2025 2:18 pm
by bits
The house at idle over night is about 250w. Which is internet boxes, 2 low power computers, a bunch of phone chargers, a bunch of google assistant displays, random red lights on TV's etc.
100w more when either of the fridge compressors cycle on.
A few TV's, a PlayStation 5, on adds about 400w.
Aircon on adds about 200-600w.
Then you get small peaks from the toaster, microwave, kettle/coffee machine. And more sustained depending what cooking on the induction cooktop and or in electric oven etc.
Or if you just want totals my daily usage is about 10-15kw with some days getting to 25kw.
Summer and winter usage is very comparable.
Winter house heating is via gas but electric blankets often get turned on.
Hot water is gas.
Re: News & Discussion: Electricity Infrastructure
Posted: Thu Jan 30, 2025 4:12 pm
by abc
mattblack wrote: ↑Thu Jan 30, 2025 2:02 pm
abc wrote: ↑Wed Jan 29, 2025 9:02 pm
Algernon wrote: ↑Wed Jan 29, 2025 8:49 pm
Not anymore. This place used to be under a metre of snow in April 20 years ago. I know this from watching the family videos with my wife's family. Nowadays, you get a few snow days per winter. And it's melted within the hour. Right now it's 9 degrees celsius. For January, historicall it's fucking incredible but it's the reality we live in now. I'm literally wearing a tshirt on home office, no heater running.
Buildings are built or refurbished to a fairly good energy efficiency these days. My building is highly typical of a refurbished building - plastic framed double pane glass windows are installed and insulation is added to the exterior. It a fibrous insulation material about a half foot thick which is directly applied to the old cement facade, then it's rendered over. This combined with a central boiler of a certain rating brings the buildings to a C rating for energy efficiency (scale A-G). This building is rated C (you're legally required to disclose the energy rating/show the certificate when properties change hands, otherwise you're obliged to label it G). All buildings redone like this get to a C rating. It's funny when people use the expression "commie block" - the Commie Blocks don't look like this anymore because they've had the insulation added. Now the only 'commie' block is your old school London/Gasglow shitheap state housing blocks, no communism in sight.
Regarding heating, I've run the heater 3 times this Winter. It's been super mild again this year (last cold winter was 2019). The expense that kills you is the hot water which is an electric central boiler. It's grid electricity, nuclear power bill for your water.
My building is far more efficient than unfurbished buildings. A lot of them outside the city still have coal heating. Not coal electricity, an actual pit of coal in the basement and a burner. The air is fucking putrid in those places.
If you want my nuclear and I want your renewables, let's do that deal. You pay my bill and I'll pay yours. Seriously let's do it. Shoot us a DM and let's do that deal. I'll pay your neighbour's as well.
so last year we had our coldest September in 40 years
I guess the greenhouse effect is not for the whole planet...
abc, you posted a nice little graph about electricity prices a few days ago to try and prove a point, how bout u post one with average global/ Australian temps since 2007 to prove the point that the Greehouse effect isn't impacting the whole planet.
since 2007? that's a minuscule amount of time in terms of climate
climate changes is a fact, however there's no evidence humans have any significant impact on it
I'll give you a tip, there's a big hot thing in the sky which has the most
on shorter cycles there's ocean currents which impacts climate over hundreds of years and on even shorter cycles there's this other shiny white thing in the sky which influences climate over decades
Re: News & Discussion: Electricity Infrastructure
Posted: Thu Jan 30, 2025 6:12 pm
by mattblack
Thanks for the climate lesson Trump.
I'll give u a tip, a climate scientist u are not.
Re: News & Discussion: Electricity Infrastructure
Posted: Fri Jan 31, 2025 12:20 am
by abc
mattblack wrote: ↑Thu Jan 30, 2025 6:12 pm
Thanks for the climate lesson Trump.
I'll give u a tip, a climate scientist u are not.
did you get your 15th booster yet?
Re: News & Discussion: Electricity Infrastructure
Posted: Fri Jan 31, 2025 7:28 pm
by claybro
bits wrote: ↑Thu Jan 30, 2025 1:42 am
My familes electricity bill for the last quarter in Adelaide is a credit of $51.
This is with 5kw of solar panels and 5kw of batteries.
Both are considered fairly small.
I am very electricity conscious eg I have evaporative airconditioning instead of reverse cycle. However to keep things at a cosy 23C in summer it is running almost all day every day and often at night also.
Solar and battery costs mean I have a couple more years to go before I fully recover the cost of the equipment. Assuming a quarterly bill of about $500.
Sooner if VPP offers for use of my battery to support the grid continue to be lucrative.
For the month of January I was 93% self sufficient with 7% of my January electricity coming from the grid.
I exported far more than that 7% during the middle of the days but a battery to store it likely would not pay for itself before it reached end of life.
Just out of curiosity, what are the winter quarter figures? Also, as gas is now to attract pariah status ( Victoria in particular) but now many new developement are banning gas connection to promote “ green” credentials, have you estimated what effect the removal of gas would have on the equation? Gas may not be an option for individual households in future.
Re: News & Discussion: Electricity Infrastructure
Posted: Fri Jan 31, 2025 8:12 pm
by Spurdo
abc wrote: ↑Fri Jan 31, 2025 12:20 am
did you get your 15th booster yet?
How on earth is that relevant to anything literally anyone has mentioned in this thread
Re: News & Discussion: Electricity Infrastructure
Posted: Fri Jan 31, 2025 10:57 pm
by PeFe
Another battery has commenced construction, near Port Pirie.
From Energy Source and Distribution
Construction begins on Bungama BESS in South Australia
Amp Energy has hosted a ground-breaking ceremony to officially mark the beginning of construction at the Bungama Battery Energy Storage System (BESS) Stage 1 in South Australia.
Located near Port Pirie, the 150MW/300MWh Bungama BESS Stage 1 is designed to enhance grid stability and support renewable energy integration. Enerven, as the Balance of Plant (BoP) contractor, will deliver the critical electrical works required to bring this transformative project to life.
Related article: Monarto solar and battery to strengthen South Australian grid
Enerven CEO Richard Amato said, “Breaking ground here today is a testament to the hard work and expertise of our team and I’m proud to partner with Wärtsilä, ElectraNet and Amp to deliver this world-class energy infrastructure. As Enerven expands its footprint in Australia’s growing energy storage market, we remain committed to providing solutions that enhance energy resilience and accelerate the path to a cleaner, more sustainable future.”
Amp head of Australia Daniel Kim said, “Bungama BESS Stage 1 is the first of our energy storage projects to reach this important milestone. We are delighted to be partnering with Enerven, Wärtsilä and ElectraNet on this critical project and supporting South Australia achieve its net 100 per cent renewable energy target by 2027.”
Wärtsilä Energy Storage Australia managing director and area sales director Suraj Narayan said, “Wärtsilä has extensive experience in the Australian market and has partnered with local contractors to provide a value-added solution to our customers. This marks the fourth project we undertake in close collaboration with Enerven. We are thrilled to work alongside Amp and Enerven on this critical project supporting energy security and reliability as renewable energy supply increases, paving the way for South Australia’s ongoing energy transition.”
Related article: South Australia to use mothballed power plants over summer
ElectraNet CEO Simon Emms said, “South Australia is well and truly leading the world when it comes to the clean energy transition. At ElectraNet, delivering solutions that energise South Australia’s clean energy future is at the heart of what we do. The Bungama BESS is a great example of this and ElectraNet is proud to have worked with Amp Energy and partners to help deliver this project.”
Commercial operations for Stage 1 of the Bungama BESS is targeted for the first quarter of 2026.
https://esdnews.com.au/construction-beg ... australia/