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Re: News & Discussion: Trams
Posted: Thu May 31, 2018 11:04 pm
by how good is he
What if they designed it like Jetty Rd Glenelg where the light rail and cars share the road..and they may still be able to keep their trees and median strip.
Re: News & Discussion: Trams
Posted: Thu May 31, 2018 11:32 pm
by citywatcher
Waewick wrote:[Shuz] wrote: ↑Thu May 31, 2018 4:38 pm
Well my father who is a staunch Liberal that lives in Norwood, wants trams down the Parade. Thinks it's very short sighted of Marshall to rule it out and reckons is more of a vote winner than Marshall realises.
I'm not sure your father is the be all and end all of it, I'd say it is a 50/50 split of people who want and people who do not want and it is not as simple as people like to think.
There are traders who want it, to bring extra cliente and locals who want it to get into the city easily. But then there are traders who don't want it due to trees being cut down and brining the wrong type of clientele and also impact car/parking (its always about cars!) and locals who don't want it because it would ruin the feel of the Parade, extra people, worse parking etc etc.
I'm indifferent to it, I can see the benefits but understand the why some people don't see it
Trams bringing in the wrong clientele ?
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Re: News & Discussion: Trams
Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2018 8:58 am
by Bob
Marshall said no trams outside City of Adelaide, specifically said no, no and no to any tram now or in the future, down The Parade Norwood. That message has been delivered to the NPSP Council loud and clear.
NPSP Council have made it clear the redevelopment Masterplan for The Parade will not take any tram line into consideration, and there’s the bigger issue.
Because there is no support to extending the tram network, to The Parade, or anywhere in suburbia, we run the risk of a Council redesigning its premier activity strip accordingly. The big concern in this case, is how much wider footpaths will go and how will the extra car parking be implemented?
If the road width gets too narrow and one day a different State Govt puts the tram back on the agenda, it could mean reducing the road to one lane of traffic or removing an entire lane of car parking, causing an even bigger outcry from the public.
Labor had their 30 year plan, now Liberals want to create their own 20 year plan with different ideas regarding trams, there is a real risk of this becoming an ongoing circular debate between the two parties and a 50/50 split public, getting extra heated approaching election time every four years.
Re: News & Discussion: Trams
Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2018 10:44 am
by claybro
Bob wrote: ↑Fri Jun 01, 2018 8:58 am
Marshall said no trams outside City of Adelaide, specifically said no, no and no to any tram now or in the future, down The Parade Norwood. That message has been delivered to the NPSP Council loud and clear.
NPSP Council have made it clear the redevelopment Masterplan for The Parade will not take any tram line into consideration, and there’s the bigger issue.
Because there is no support to extending the tram network, to The Parade, or anywhere in suburbia, we run the risk of a Council redesigning its premier activity strip accordingly. The big concern in this case, is how much wider footpaths will go and how will the extra car parking be implemented?
If the road width gets too narrow and one day a different State Govt puts the tram back on the agenda, it could mean reducing the road to one lane of traffic or removing an entire lane of car parking, causing an even bigger outcry from the public.
Labor had their 30 year plan, now Liberals want to create their own 20 year plan with different ideas regarding trams, there is a real risk of this becoming an ongoing circular debate between the two parties and a 50/50 split public, getting extra heated approaching election time every four years.
Yes Labor did have a 30 year plan, but it was woefully inadequate in detail, provided no provision for reservation of land use, transport corridors, co-ordination of various councils or any idea of future funding. It was not much more than a glossy marketing brochure, and poorly marketed at that. I would say the public split is much more like only 30 percent really in favour of the tram- the concept was just not sold to them. There is absolutely the probability the Parade will be lost to trams, and we will find instead that a future Labor government will use Magil road instead. Then the Parade traders will complain that Magil road is taking over the Parade as a destination because of the trams.
Re: News & Discussion: Trams
Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2018 11:44 am
by zippySA
Mind you - the Magil Rd option must be an interesting one to assess from a cost-benfit basis. Parade is already functioning very well commercially and rents etc I believe are amongst the highest in Adelaide. Also multi-level apartments sprouting up which will further cement this strip.
If you consider tram lines on face value will never pay for themselves up-front, then stimulating another strip along Magil provides huge opportunity to create another up-lift and value-capture in parallel to the Parade.
I would suggest the Council in it's Masterplanning of the Parade needs to keep in mind that one street does not make a district and the chance to consider Parade in one light, Magil in another could yet be a win-win.
Given the timeframes even if policy were to change and advocate an East Link, it will be 5+ years minimum before completed I'd guess and by then more urban in-fill and development potential for Magil, linking to the Parade would be seemingly very feasible and exciting??
Re: News & Discussion: Trams
Posted: Sat Jun 02, 2018 9:01 pm
by Nathan
For a slight change of pace — good that the updated announcements on the tram tell you which side the platform will be at each stop, but the "in the direction of travel" at the end of every announcement is like nails on a chalkboard. What idiot wouldn't understand that 'left' and 'right' is relative to the front of the tram?
Re: News & Discussion: Trams
Posted: Sun Jun 03, 2018 11:58 am
by metro
Nathan wrote: ↑Sat Jun 02, 2018 9:01 pm
For a slight change of pace — good that the updated announcements on the tram tell you which side the platform will be at each stop, but the "in the direction of travel" at the end of every announcement is like nails on a chalkboard. What idiot wouldn't understand that 'left' and 'right' is relative to the front of the tram?
Yeah it is a long announcement, I feel like it should only be used when there's a change of sides from the last stop, not every stop. Imagine at every stop:
"
To stop at Greenhill Road, Stop 1, Please request now. Doors Open on the left hand side in the direction of travel. Please Mind the Gap when boarding or alighting from the tram. Please remember to validate your metrocard. Please keep your bags off of the seats, thank you".
I think these announcements would be better on the trains, like when arriving into the city where nobody knows which side the doors open and it's always different, and in some places on the train network the platform side changes almost every station.
Re: News & Discussion: Trams
Posted: Sun Jun 03, 2018 12:34 pm
by [Shuz]
I agree it's all a bit too much.
Re: News & Discussion: Trams
Posted: Sun Jun 03, 2018 3:48 pm
by I Follow PAFC
Re: News & Discussion: Trams
Posted: Sun Jun 03, 2018 3:53 pm
by Norman
Basically, what it says is that tram testing will commence from tonight/tomorrow morning at 12:30am on both sections of the new track.
Re: News & Discussion: Trams
Posted: Sun Jun 03, 2018 7:43 pm
by Haso
Norman wrote: ↑Sun Jun 03, 2018 3:53 pm
Basically, what it says is that tram testing will commence from tonight/tomorrow morning at 12:30am on both sections of the new track.
Good news. Hope someone will be there and take some photos. I simply can’t.
Re: News & Discussion: Trams
Posted: Mon Jun 04, 2018 2:40 am
by rubberman
- 113 at Frome Road
- 20180604_023423.jpg (3.69 MiB) Viewed 4919 times
Don’t know why this is upside down. Grr.
Re: News & Discussion: Trams
Posted: Mon Jun 04, 2018 10:19 am
by EBG
Thanks Rubberman - your second picture re-orientated. all thanks /quotes to Rubberman.
Re: News & Discussion: Trams
Posted: Mon Jun 04, 2018 11:05 am
by Nort
Clearly fake images, without the right hand turn the extension is useless!
Re: News & Discussion: Trams
Posted: Mon Jun 04, 2018 11:32 am
by rubberman
Nort wrote: ↑Mon Jun 04, 2018 11:05 am
Clearly fake images, without the right hand turn the extension is useless!
Caught Nort! I confess.
Now I've woken up, a bit more detail.
Flexity 113 went across the intersection and down to East Terrace without a hitch. The tram stopped at points, lights, and various locations where clearances for mirrors and platform gaps was checked. Slower than walking pace the whole way. Same on the way back. Then the tram took off to the Entertainment Centre to reverse and repeat the exercise without stopping (except lights and the East Terrace points) at walking speed. The only puzzle was why the tram didn't reverse at the Railway Station crossover, as everyone was waiting for it to return.
That was it from me.