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claybro wrote: ↑

Sun Jul 29, 2018 7:38 pm

Forget a standalone tram connecting grange and west lakes to Train at Woodville, and forget a bus interchange at Woodville , Adelaide people cannot be convinced to change modes/seats. This is the result of the agitation against light rail.

claybro wrote: ↑

Fri Aug 03, 2018 11:49 am

Its not just about the location of the station. A terminating central station in a commuter system is not efficient. Trains coming in to Adelaide yard slow to a dawdle, sometimes stop entirely and slow to walking pace pulling in to the platform. Trains departing-same situation-pull away from the platform, sometimes stop again, dawdle through the yard.... With thru stations this is not an issue. (unless some incident or congestion delays have caused a hold up in the loop as sometimes happens in Melbourne). Trains approach the station at speed, stop quickly once aligned with the platform and then take off again at speed. Also with a loop there would be multiple stations so less commuter congestion in one spot, faster loading and unloading etc.

rev wrote: ↑

Fri Aug 03, 2018 12:49 pm

I suggested the idea for the south west corner of the city, with an extended tram network through the area, and building the area up as high rise residential. Linking it with a tunnel through the city/cbd to the existing station..go read the thread in visions section lol, it's full of excuses why it can't happen. That's probably one of the major problems with this state. Something visionary or bold, by this states standards over the last 50 years comes up, and most withdrawal with some sort of PTSD and shoot it down, as if a big change in our city will somehow hurt them.

Adelaide needs to break this psychological barrier. Then it'll really prosper and flourish.

rev wrote: ↑

Fri Aug 03, 2018 12:49 pm

We can't have heavy rail running on the outer harbor line, while trams run down Port Road....said South Australians...go over to Melbourne, check Wellington Parade/Flinders St...heavy rail AND trams..but nope, can't do it in Adelaide. Until we will need it, and then it's going to cost many billions more.

Goodsy wrote:It's not even bold or visionary things that get shot down, it's basic things that actually make sense like the O-Bahn tunnel.

rev wrote: ↑

Fri Aug 03, 2018 12:49 pm

The south east/west corners of the city should be built up with residential towers. The only residential towers that should exist outside of those areas, should be around the east end, and in mixed use developments.
By building up the south west of the city, it would justify a second city train station, that could be linked by an underground metro through the city/cbd and connecting to the existing station. It would also be more beneficial for expanding the tram network into that corner of the city. And overall, creating an integrated transport network.
Of course, this is South Australia. Such big city things will never happen here because "we don't need that"..until you need it, and then you'll have to spend billions...kind of like the re-deployment of the tram network(when we once had an extensive network), or the building of motorways(when we had a plan five decades ago and it wouldn't have been as disruptive or costly).

Goodsy wrote:

rev wrote: ↑

Fri Aug 03, 2018 12:49 pm

I suggested the idea for the south west corner of the city, with an extended tram network through the area, and building the area up as high rise residential. Linking it with a tunnel through the city/cbd to the existing station..go read the thread in visions section lol, it's full of excuses why it can't happen. That's probably one of the major problems with this state. Something visionary or bold, by this states standards over the last 50 years comes up, and most withdrawal with some sort of PTSD and shoot it down, as if a big change in our city will somehow hurt them.

Adelaide needs to break this psychological barrier. Then it'll really prosper and flourish.

It's not even bold or visionary things that get shot down, it's basic things that actually make sense like the O-Bahn tunnel.

Ser Noit of Loit wrote: ↑

Fri Aug 03, 2018 9:29 pm

rev wrote: ↑

Fri Aug 03, 2018 12:49 pm

The south east/west corners of the city should be built up with residential towers. The only residential towers that should exist outside of those areas, should be around the east end, and in mixed use developments.
By building up the south west of the city, it would justify a second city train station, that could be linked by an underground metro through the city/cbd and connecting to the existing station. It would also be more beneficial for expanding the tram network into that corner of the city. And overall, creating an integrated transport network.
Of course, this is South Australia. Such big city things will never happen here because "we don't need that"..until you need it, and then you'll have to spend billions...kind of like the re-deployment of the tram network(when we once had an extensive network), or the building of motorways(when we had a plan five decades ago and it wouldn't have been as disruptive or costly).

I agree about the problem Adelaide has where there's so much resistance against big and necessary changes. It's frustrating seeing other cities doing things well and wanting Adelaide to do similar things to improve. There are ways to improve the Belair Line significantly which would never happen because the majority of residents in the inner south are the sort that would protest against it all.

I'm interested though, what are your reasons for not having towers beyond the south west and south east? And why focus high-rises there?

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rev wrote: ↑

Fri Aug 03, 2018 12:49 pm

claybro wrote: ↑

Fri Aug 03, 2018 11:49 am

Its not just about the location of the station. A terminating central station in a commuter system is not efficient. Trains coming in to Adelaide yard slow to a dawdle, sometimes stop entirely and slow to walking pace pulling in to the platform. Trains departing-same situation-pull away from the platform, sometimes stop again, dawdle through the yard.... With thru stations this is not an issue. (unless some incident or congestion delays have caused a hold up in the loop as sometimes happens in Melbourne). Trains approach the station at speed, stop quickly once aligned with the platform and then take off again at speed. Also with a loop there would be multiple stations so less commuter congestion in one spot, faster loading and unloading etc.

Well, overall our city is a dogs breakfast. Be it transport or building planning/etc.

The south east/west corners of the city should be built up with residential towers. The only residential towers that should exist outside of those areas, should be around the east end, and in mixed use developments.
By building up the south west of the city, it would justify a second city train station, that could be linked by an underground metro through the city/cbd and connecting to the existing station. It would also be more beneficial for expanding the tram network into that corner of the city. And overall, creating an integrated transport network.
Of course, this is South Australia. Such big city things will never happen here because "we don't need that"..until you need it, and then you'll have to spend billions...kind of like the re-deployment of the tram network(when we once had an extensive network), or the building of motorways(when we had a plan five decades ago and it wouldn't have been as disruptive or costly).

Why does Melbourne need a tunneled train link to Tullamarine? They have a freeway that takes you directly to the airport, and it's linked to freeways from every corner of the metro area.

We can't have heavy rail running on the outer harbor line, while trams run down Port Road....said South Australians...go over to Melbourne, check Wellington Parade/Flinders St...heavy rail AND trams..but nope, can't do it in Adelaide. Until we will need it, and then it's going to cost many billions more.

Two major train stations within walking distance of each other, one with an added major bus terminal...but nope, a second train station in Adelaide isn't possible.

I suggested the idea for the south west corner of the city, with an extended tram network through the area, and building the area up as high rise residential. Linking it with a tunnel through the city/cbd to the existing station..go read the thread in visions section lol, it's full of excuses why it can't happen. That's probably one of the major problems with this state. Something visionary or bold, by this states standards over the last 50 years comes up, and most withdrawal with some sort of PTSD and shoot it down, as if a big change in our city will somehow hurt them.

Adelaide needs to break this psychological barrier. Then it'll really prosper and flourish.