[U/C] Port Adelaide Dock Spur Line

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[U/C] Re: Port Adelaide Dock Spur Line

#451 Post by claybro » Wed Jun 19, 2024 1:47 pm

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30 minute frequency is terrible, but it means the platform can be used by a train to Dry Creek.
There’s no longer a broad gauge connection along the line between Port Adelaide and Dry Creek, the dual gauge track was pulled out some time ago.
Spoken like a true South Australian. We cant do that because someone ripped up the tracks??!! The corridor is still there, surely its not too much of an issue to relay track? In any other capital, this linking line, connecting 2 rapidly growing and industrial employment areas with lots of growth options would be connected, or in the process of. Linking the Port to northern suburbs with a frequent train service should be a no brainer.

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#452 Post by Patrick_27 » Wed Jun 19, 2024 11:04 pm

Of all the spur lines that should be considered next, Northfield should be it. The corridor for the most part still exists and could be extended to Golden Grove rather than taking the O'Bahn out there.

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#453 Post by rev » Thu Jun 20, 2024 9:31 am

Patrick_27 wrote:
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Of all the spur lines that should be considered next, Northfield should be it. The corridor for the most part still exists and could be extended to Golden Grove rather than taking the O'Bahn out there.
They should be looking at Port Dock to Dry Creek, wouldn't need many stops, perhaps one at Ottoway and one in Wingfield..then re-instate the northfield line and go beyond where possible.
We'd then have a bit of a loop and some cross suburban travel without people needing to go into ARS to catch another train in another direction.
Hundreds of jobs created if not thousands, better public transport making the city a more liveable place and easier to commute. Win win.

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#454 Post by 1NEEDS2POST » Thu Jun 20, 2024 10:20 am

Alternatively they could dual gauge Port Dock station and drive standard gauge trains to Dry Creek. Ultimately Adelaide Metro should change everything to standard gauge.

If the Adelaide Hills bypass is built, a new railway from the north might be built. This could be used by the new housing estate at Riverlea and instead of Riverlea trains clogging up the Gawler line at Dry Creek, they could drive from Riverlea to Dry Creek to Port Dock. Dry Creek could become a big interchange station, especially if Northfield is relaid or the Glenelg tram is extended north, it could terminate at Dry Creek, which could also serve as the tram depot.

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#455 Post by Spotto » Thu Jun 20, 2024 8:20 pm

claybro wrote:
Wed Jun 19, 2024 1:47 pm
Spotto wrote:
Wed Jun 19, 2024 8:30 am
1NEEDS2POST wrote:
Tue Jun 18, 2024 11:28 pm
30 minute frequency is terrible, but it means the platform can be used by a train to Dry Creek.
There’s no longer a broad gauge connection along the line between Port Adelaide and Dry Creek, the dual gauge track was pulled out some time ago.
Spoken like a true South Australian. We cant do that because someone ripped up the tracks??!! The corridor is still there, surely its not too much of an issue to relay track? In any other capital, this linking line, connecting 2 rapidly growing and industrial employment areas with lots of growth options would be connected, or in the process of. Linking the Port to northern suburbs with a frequent train service should be a no brainer.
I’ve commented previously in other threads that a Port Dock to Salisbury or Elizabeth service would be a great idea in future, especially if the Northern Connector freight line ever happens. Only mentioning the current conditions of the track.

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#456 Post by PD2/20 » Fri Jun 21, 2024 1:57 pm

Patrick_27 wrote:
Wed Jun 19, 2024 11:04 pm
Of all the spur lines that should be considered next, Northfield should be it. The corridor for the most part still exists and could be extended to Golden Grove rather than taking the O'Bahn out there.
Apart from the western end now under the Dry Creek Depot, and the the level crossings across Church Rd N, Port Wakefield Rd and Main North Rd. Topography is a slight problem from Northfield (30m elevation) to Golden Grove (200m) with the major escarpment seen in the hills on Grove Way, Macintyre, Kesters and Montague Rds. OBahn would be preferable.

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#457 Post by PD2/20 » Fri Jun 21, 2024 8:54 pm

Spotto wrote:
Thu Jun 20, 2024 8:20 pm
claybro wrote:
Wed Jun 19, 2024 1:47 pm
Spotto wrote:
Wed Jun 19, 2024 8:30 am


There’s no longer a broad gauge connection along the line between Port Adelaide and Dry Creek, the dual gauge track was pulled out some time ago.
Spoken like a true South Australian. We cant do that because someone ripped up the tracks??!! The corridor is still there, surely its not too much of an issue to relay track? In any other capital, this linking line, connecting 2 rapidly growing and industrial employment areas with lots of growth options would be connected, or in the process of. Linking the Port to northern suburbs with a frequent train service should be a no brainer.
I’ve commented previously in other threads that a Port Dock to Salisbury or Elizabeth service would be a great idea in future, especially if the Northern Connector freight line ever happens. Only mentioning the current conditions of the track.
The Gawler electrification work removed the final connections between the broad and standard gauge networks in the Dry Creek area.

What would be the driver at the Port Dock end of traffic to and from the northern suburbs? Or would the traffic come from the Lefevre Peninsula or the greater Port Adelaide area?

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#458 Post by SBD » Fri Jun 21, 2024 10:02 pm

I guess it's off-topic for this thread, but I wouldn't run Dry Creek trains to Port Dock.

The standard gauge line is closer to the shipyards at Osborne, so is the natural terminus for public transport to that enormous "employment precinct" to use the current buzzword.

Run standard gauge metro rail from there, a stop somewhere near Port Adelaide (OK, not as convenient for the port, but it's between industrial and new residential land), Wingfield (industrial), Dry Creek (interchange), Mawson Lakes (residential), Salisbury (commercial, residential and interchange), Bolivar (industrial and future development), Virginia (residential and bus interchange for Riverlea Park), Two Wells.

That requires new platforms, signals and sidings but makes use of the existing freight mainline to service areas currently not serviced by passenger rail, some also not well serviced by buses. New Virginia and Two Wells stations might not be on the same site as the old stations as the centres of those populations have moved.

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#459 Post by Norman » Tue Jul 16, 2024 9:41 am

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#460 Post by Patrick_27 » Wed Jul 17, 2024 3:11 pm

Norman wrote:
Tue Jul 16, 2024 9:41 am
Some photos from yesterday

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With practical completion looking to be mostly done, when is this scheduled to be operational? Is there a date yet?

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#461 Post by Patrick_27 » Wed Jul 17, 2024 3:12 pm

Patrick_27 wrote:
Wed Jul 17, 2024 3:11 pm
Norman wrote:
Tue Jul 16, 2024 9:41 am
Some photos from yesterday

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With practical completion looking to be mostly done, when is this scheduled to be operational? Is there a date yet?
Never mind, answered my own question...

"Services are expected to be operational from Sunday 25 August 2024" - Adelaide Metro website.

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#462 Post by Nathan » Wed Jul 17, 2024 5:12 pm

The shelter for the train platform is the same size as provided for the bus stop... :?

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#463 Post by ChillyPhilly » Tue Jul 23, 2024 12:30 pm

Aesthetically pleasing, but that is still a serious lack of shelter.
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#464 Post by Patrick_27 » Tue Jul 23, 2024 10:33 pm

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Aesthetically pleasing, but that is still a serious lack of shelter.
This should have been built like Seaford Railway Station, fully undercover. Both practical and playing homage to the original Port Adelaide Railway Station that sat on the site (bulldozed in the early-60s), it was a fully undercover station platform with a station building at the end (European inspire railway station. There is still the opportunity further down the track (lol), but I guess once this is done the state government will leave it to do its own thing and will either close it in years to come when they no longer see it worth keeping open, or upgrade it in another 50-100 years.

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#465 Post by ChillyPhilly » Wed Jul 24, 2024 8:54 am

Patrick_27 wrote:
Tue Jul 23, 2024 10:33 pm
ChillyPhilly wrote:
Tue Jul 23, 2024 12:30 pm
Aesthetically pleasing, but that is still a serious lack of shelter.
This should have been built like Seaford Railway Station, fully undercover. Both practical and playing homage to the original Port Adelaide Railway Station that sat on the site (bulldozed in the early-60s), it was a fully undercover station platform with a station building at the end (European inspire railway station. There is still the opportunity further down the track (lol), but I guess once this is done the state government will leave it to do its own thing and will either close it in years to come when they no longer see it worth keeping open, or upgrade it in another 50-100 years.
It could be enclosed when the line is electrified. Agree with you, however.
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