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#976 Post by PeFe » Sun Aug 28, 2022 3:30 pm

Major works have commenced at the Goyder South wind farm.

From Renew Economy
Major works start on giant project that will propel South Australia to more than 80 pct wind and solar

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Construction on the first stage of a giant wind project that will propel South Australia to more than 80 per cent wind and solar has officially begun, and been formally celebrated by the new state Labor government.

The 412MW Goyder South wind farm – the first stage of what could be the country’s biggest wind, solar and battery hybrid project – is considered one of the best assets in the country, with excellent wind speeds and with what will be, at least for a while, the biggest capacity turbines in the country.

Construction was formally announced late last week at a ceremony at the site in Burra attended by state premier Peter Malinauskus and energy minister Tom Koutsantonis.

The project owner – Neoen – had previously announced in January that “early construction” works had begun. The project is now moving into the “major works” stage with the installation of the turbine foundations and then the turbines themselves.

“With 412MW and fantastic wind speeds, it will be the largest in South Australia and an incredibly competitive project able to supply more than 10% of the SA demand,” Neoen Australia boss Louis de Sambucy said in a LinkedIn post.

“And it is only stage 1!!”

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Goyder South has approval for 1200MW of wind, 600MW of large scale solar, and battery storage of up to 900MW and 1800MWh. That makes it the biggest hybrid project in Australia that has begun production. The first stage is also the single biggest wind project in the state.

Goyder South has signed off take deals with the ACT government, which also includes the construction of a 100MW/200MWh big battery in Canberra, as well as a 10 year offtake agreement with Flow Power.

South Australia already sources a world-leading 64 per cent of its electricity demand from wind and solar, and the soon-to-be completed 317MW wind and solar Port Augusta Renewable Energy Hub will take that above 70 per cent when it has completed commissioning.

The addition of the first stage of the Goyder South wind farm in 2024 will take that total to more than 80 per cent, easily the most in any gigawatt scale electricity grid in the world.

The remaining parts of the project are likely to be added once the new link to NSW, Project EnergyConnect, is completed, and to supply green power to the anticipated green hydrogen industry.

The Goyder South first stage project will feature 75 GE 5.5-159 Cypress turbines, and will create over 400 construction jobs and 12 full time permanent positions. It will be operational in 2024.

It is being built on the lands of the Ngadjuri people, and will also incorporate an eco-tourism initiative around the Worlds End Gorge.

https://reneweconomy.com.au/major-works ... and-solar/

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#977 Post by PeFe » Thu Sep 15, 2022 3:07 pm

A path to 100% renewables starts to look like this..
From Renew Economy
“Remarkable:” South Australia may soon be first big grid to run on renewables only

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South Australia – already leading the world with its share of wind and solar – is poised to become the first grid of its size to operate without synchronous generation within the next few years, according to a new planning document from the market operator.

South Australia leads the world with the penetration of wind and solar in its grid, and has averaged more than 64 per cent over the last 12 months.

It regularly reaches levels where wind and solar produce more than 100 per cent of state demand – in fact it set a new record of 146 per cent of state demand from wind only on Wednesday morning – but this excess is exported to Victoria through its transmission links.

Even when wind and solar have produced much more electricity than is needed in the state at any one time, it has always had to have some synchronous generators, and always gas fired generators in South Australia, running to ensure some of the principal grid services can still be delivered.

This requirement was last year reduced from four generators to two generators after the installation of four synchronous condensers that are spinning machines, but do not burn fuel, and can deliver many of those same services as synchronous generators.

Now AEMO is looking to reduce that number from two to one.

Most of the time the second one is only running as a backup incase the other gas generators suddenly fails, but a growing confidence in the ability of battery inverter technology to provide those services, and the presence of more “fast start” generators that could quickly switch on in case of an incident, means that AEMO is now thinking about reducing its minimum requirement to one synchronous generator.

The immediate impact of that is that fossil fuel’s share of overall generation in the state (including that for export) could fall from its current minimum of around five per cent to just two per cent, because only one synchronous generator will be required.

And that in turn will further reduce curtailment of wind and solar, and on the number of “directions” from AEMO for gas generators to run. That has already fallen dramatically in the last year.

It also means, that with the completion of the new link to NSW due in 2025/26, the state will likely be able to remove the need for even a single synchronous generator when that is connected.

Christian Zuur, the head of energy transition at the Clean Energy Council, described it as a “remarkable” document in a LinkedIn post.

“South Australia (is) again at the forefront of the clean energy transition,” Zuur wrote.

“AEMO advised that subject to some technical studies being completed, they are looking to reduce the minimum requirement to just one gas generator … and are undertaking further studies to understand whether that last unit can be taken offline.

“This would be a world first, as far as I am aware, and is something to watch very closely in coming months.”

South Australia is a living laboratory of how to manage the transition to wind and solar, and an inverter-based grid, and – as Zuur says – it is remarkable to see how the engineering assessment of system needs has rapidly evolved in recent years.

The new document says that for some of the critical grid services, the synchronous generators are already redundant. This includes grid forming and grid reference, two qualities that can now be provided by so-called “grid forming inverters” that are deployed at two South Australian batteries – Dalrymple North and Hornsdale.

“The SA power system currently requires at least one large synchronous generator for grid formation and grid reference,” the AEMO document notes.

“Results of power system analysis suggest a synchronous generator may not be required for grid reference. This means grid-following inverter based resources can ‘latch-on’ to the voltage waveform supplied by the synchronous condensers.”

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It says more system tests will be required to demonstrate grid formation and grid reference in a power system the size and scale of South Australia with no synchronous generating units online, and it will continue to look at the capabilities of battery inverters through its program that it is running with ARENA.

There are challenges in some parts of the grid with voltage control, which AEMO and the local network operator ElectraNet are looking in to, and in large “ramping” events, when the amount of wind and solar produced suddenly changes, such as in the evening.

It is satisfied that now only one, rather than two units, are required to handle these events, but wants more work before reducing that to zero, and is considering measures such as ensuring enough battery inverters are in reserve, or fast start generators ready to go if needed.

Similar work is looking at the issues of frequency control and network protection, but it says that it is now clear that even one synchronous generator will not be required to be on line at all times – in system normal conditions- once the new NSW link is completed and a scheme put in place to manage a sudden loss of those links.

This, of course, doesn’t mean that fossil fuels are not needed and that the remaining unit will be closed. South Australia still has a way to go to build enough wind and solar – and storage – to cover the gaps to provide close to an average of 100 per cent renewables all year around.

Small grids can to it, but the fact that a gigawatt scale grid is now within touching distance of running at times with no fossil fuels, and no synchronous generation is – as Zuur notes – quite remarkable.

It would have been unthinkable a decade or so ago, and it should be noted that some doubters in the industry still question if it is indeed possible. And when it does happen, it will remove the last quibbles about whether a state grid is truly 100 per cent renewables or not.

https://reneweconomy.com.au/remarkable- ... bles-only/

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#978 Post by 1NEEDS2POST » Sun Sep 18, 2022 12:23 am

This is great news. Over the last year, 66 % of the grid in SA was powered by renewables. Over the last seven days, it was 80 %! This website is useful for seeing what's powering the grid: https://opennem.org.au/energy/sa1/?rang ... terval=30m It's better than the AEMO website because it includes rooftop solar.

One thing that doesn't make sense with the new wind farms, like Hornsdale or Goyder South, is they locate the batteries on the wind farm. It would be better to locate the batteries somewhere in the outer suburbs of Adelaide. That way if the transmission line goes down, the batteries still work. Maybe they get money from Electranet when the transmission line goes down, so they don't care. Or real estate in Adelaide is too expensive.

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#979 Post by Algernon » Sun Sep 18, 2022 4:21 am

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Sun Sep 18, 2022 12:23 am
This is great news. Over the last year, 66 % of the grid in SA was powered by renewables. Over the last seven days, it was 80 %! This website is useful for seeing what's powering the grid: https://opennem.org.au/energy/sa1/?rang ... terval=30m It's better than the AEMO website because it includes rooftop solar.

One thing that doesn't make sense with the new wind farms, like Hornsdale or Goyder South, is they locate the batteries on the wind farm. It would be better to locate the batteries somewhere in the outer suburbs of Adelaide. That way if the transmission line goes down, the batteries still work. Maybe they get money from Electranet when the transmission line goes down, so they don't care. Or real estate in Adelaide is too expensive.
There's a 450MWh battery approved for Gould Creek already

https://www.energy-storage.news/450mwh- ... -approval/

That said, I think the far bigger issue for grid stability is the interconnector to other states which will alleviated somewhat by the connection to NSW. SA almost has more power than it needs and will be a net exporter, and with its target of 500% of demand met by local renewable generation by 2050 (and with SA's track record, will probably hit 10 years early), redundancies in the local supply won't be much of an issue at all.

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#980 Post by PeFe » Sun Sep 18, 2022 1:31 pm

The Torrens Island AGL battery is being built right now.

Gould Creek is in the hills behind Elizabeth.....I am not sure at what stage this project has reached.

It is not illogical to build a battery next to your wind or solar farm, charging the battery would the be free.

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#981 Post by PeFe » Mon Sep 19, 2022 2:20 pm

New small solar powered industrial plant in Whyalla to support Bitcoin mining operation....which needs 5mw of power every day to make 100 Bitcoins over a year (Never has so much energy been wasted with so little human benefit)
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First solar-power Bitcoin mining plant opens in South Australia

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A solar-powered Bitcoin (BTC) mining plant has begun operations in South Australia to become the first-of-a-kind center in the region.

The plant operated by Lumos Digital Mining provides about five megawatts of electricity for the activity in a bid to curb Bitcoin’s carbon footprint, ABC News Australia reported on September 16.

Angelo Kondylas, an official from Lumos Digital Mining, stated that the center has the potential to mine at least 100 Bitcoins in a year, but the amount depends on power availability.

He noted that the company might, at some point, draw power from the main grid if there is a need for ramping up production. The company, located in the industrial city of Whyalla, also plans to guide other entities interested in leveraging solar energy to get involved in Bitcoin mining.

“Energy generators may be] spending $10 million because they have to switch off that day because there’s too much on the system. We’re basically like a sponge; we soak up the excess that’s not used,” Kondylas said.

https://finbold.com/first-solar-power-b ... australia/
And the ABC version
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-09-16/ ... /101448784

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#982 Post by Algernon » Mon Sep 19, 2022 4:14 pm

PeFe wrote:
Mon Sep 19, 2022 2:20 pm
Never has so much energy been wasted with so little human benefit

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#983 Post by SBD » Mon Sep 19, 2022 5:10 pm

Algernon wrote:
Mon Sep 19, 2022 4:14 pm
PeFe wrote:
Mon Sep 19, 2022 2:20 pm
Never has so much energy been wasted with so little human benefit
The ABC version says "The company said the centre would create 30 jobs once full operational." What are 30 people going to do once it's all up and running? I can imagine 30 people setting it up, but surely not to keep it running?? Is the value "mined" going to cover the capital cost AND 30 staff? Not sure I'd move on the promise of one of those jobs, maybe it's an incentive for local kids not to move away.

The local newspaper has more at https://www.whyallanewsonline.com.au/st ... ne/?cs=356

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#984 Post by Algernon » Mon Sep 19, 2022 5:37 pm

SBD wrote:
Mon Sep 19, 2022 5:10 pm
Algernon wrote:
Mon Sep 19, 2022 4:14 pm
PeFe wrote:
Mon Sep 19, 2022 2:20 pm
Never has so much energy been wasted with so little human benefit
The ABC version says "The company said the centre would create 30 jobs once full operational." What are 30 people going to do once it's all up and running? I can imagine 30 people setting it up, but surely not to keep it running?? Is the value "mined" going to cover the capital cost AND 30 staff? Not sure I'd move on the promise of one of those jobs, maybe it's an incentive for local kids not to move away.

The local newspaper has more at https://www.whyallanewsonline.com.au/st ... ne/?cs=356
Considering the current bitcoin price and the projected "100 coins per year" - that makes less than 2 million USD per year mined. After factoring in capital costs and energy, I'm not seeing 30 full time jobs here. Just like crypto in general, it seems like total bullshit.

Worrying thing from that article is there are plans for another one of these in Whyalla. Just when SA starts getting itself ahead on energy, these anarchists come in and waste it.

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#985 Post by SBD » Tue Sep 20, 2022 12:37 am

Algernon wrote:
Mon Sep 19, 2022 5:37 pm
SBD wrote:
Mon Sep 19, 2022 5:10 pm
Algernon wrote:
Mon Sep 19, 2022 4:14 pm
The ABC version says "The company said the centre would create 30 jobs once full operational." What are 30 people going to do once it's all up and running? I can imagine 30 people setting it up, but surely not to keep it running?? Is the value "mined" going to cover the capital cost AND 30 staff? Not sure I'd move on the promise of one of those jobs, maybe it's an incentive for local kids not to move away.

The local newspaper has more at https://www.whyallanewsonline.com.au/st ... ne/?cs=356
Considering the current bitcoin price and the projected "100 coins per year" - that makes less than 2 million USD per year mined. After factoring in capital costs and energy, I'm not seeing 30 full time jobs here. Just like crypto in general, it seems like total bullshit.

Worrying thing from that article is there are plans for another one of these in Whyalla. Just when SA starts getting itself ahead on energy, these anarchists come in and waste it.
I thought it looked like they proposed their own 5MW solar farm, so only wasting their own share of sunshine. One or two of the people might be employed to wash the panels, but that's not the skilled jobs they are talking about.

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#986 Post by bits » Tue Sep 20, 2022 6:48 am

Perhaps they will have people tracking coin values and trading in general.
They also may switch mined coin based on their predictions and need to deploy different software.

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#987 Post by PeFe » Wed Oct 26, 2022 3:24 pm

Maliauskas considering restarting a state owned energy company.
Malinauskas is wrong when he says only WA kept ownership of electricity assets, Qld owns the majority (if not all) of its coal fired power stations.
South Australia considering state ownership of power assets

South Australian Premier Peter Malinauskas says he’s seriously considering reverting to having some state-owned power assets, 25 years after the Electricity Trust of South Australia was privatised.

Mr Malinauskas said Western Australia was the only state which had been smart and kept its electricity assets under government ownership, and the “disconcerting” forecasts in the federal budget about energy prices rising by 56 per cent over two years meant that urgent action was needed to try to protect households and businesses.

“As far as we’re concerned all options are on the table and we’re considering them,” he said on Wednesday.

They include potential intervention in the market, or bringing back some generation into state hands.

But there would be no point in tearing up a long-term lease which runs for 200 years for the poles and wires business in SA, which was one of the main assets of the former ETSA.

ETSA was privatised in the late 1990s by a Liberal government led by then premier John Olsen, who is now the president of the Adelaide Crows team in the Australian Football League.

The former ETSA is now known as SA Power Networks and is majority owned by Asian infrastructure giant Cheung Kong Infrastructure.

“There are grave consequences to tearing up a contract of that nature,” Mr Malinauskas said.

Victorian Premier Daniel Andrews stunned the market last week when he revealed that if he won the state election in November he would revive the State Electricity Commission

The Victorian Labor government said it would spend $1 billion to develop its own renewable energy assets, as it also announced tough new emissions targets that are likely to end coal power generation in the state by 2035, earlier than expected.

Victoria would invest directly to control renewable energy projects, including wind and solar, with a focus expected to be on its ambitious offshore wind targets.

Mr Malinauskas already has taxpayer funds on the hook with his plan for a $600 million-plus hydrogen plant near Whyalla in the state’s north. His government wants a 200 megawatt power plant, an electrolyser and a 3600 tonne storage facility built by early 2026.

Mr Malinauskas said his government would use “every tool” available to try to bring about a change in the energy market in SA to blunt looming price increases.

He said SA was likely to be spared the worst of the increases which the eastern states were facing because it had invested heavily in renewable energy so far, but households and businesses still faced heavy rises.

“The preliminary advice we have received is we won’t have the same gravity of price shocks that we’re seeing in the eastern states”.

He said Western Australia hadn’t privatised its electricity assets, and was reaping the rewards.

“Guess what they didn’t do in Western Australia, privatise the electricity market,” he said.

He also pointed to the intervention in SA’s energy market under former Labor premier Jay Weatherill in 2017 when the then Labor government announced a $550 million “energy plan” to shore up the state’s fragile electricity grid.

A large Tesla storage battery near Jamestown in South Australia’s mid-north was a core part of the plan, which also included a bank of nine state-owned backup diesel-powered fast-start generators to deliver power at short notice.

But those fast-start generators were sold off when Liberal Premier Steven Marshall was at the helm of the state from 2018 to 2022. Mr Malinauskas won the state election in March this year.

Mr Malinauskas said privatising electricity assets did not bring about the desired outcome for users in households and businesses. “It never works,” he said.

https://www.afr.com/companies/infrastru ... 026-p5bt0u

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#988 Post by 1NEEDS2POST » Wed Oct 26, 2022 9:35 pm

Unless they buy back the poles and wires, it won't make a difference. Poles and wires are a monopoly, there's no easy money to make in the other stuff.

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#989 Post by SBD » Wed Oct 26, 2022 11:03 pm

PeFe wrote:
Wed Oct 26, 2022 3:24 pm
Maliauskas considering restarting a state owned energy company.
Malinauskas is wrong when he says only WA kept ownership of electricity assets, Qld owns the majority (if not all) of its coal fired power stations.
South Australia considering state ownership of power assets

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https://www.afr.com/companies/infrastru ... 026-p5bt0u
Malinauskas returns to the Hydrogen Plan - that seems to be about using excess "free" solar and wind power to make hydrogen, and a power station to turn it back in to electricity when the price is high. If it works, then even after efficiency losses, it should end up as a money spinner for the government.

Alinta appears to have planning and development approval for a gas turbine power station at Reeves Plains between Gawler and Mallala. If the approval hasn't lapsed, it must be close to it, and hasn't proved economic to develop further. If the state government wants to control a new fossil-fuel power station, then funding the build for this one would seem to be a quick solution.

The Commonwealth owns most or all of the Snowy Mountains Scheme and Snowy Hydro (including diesel and gas peaking plants), so there's another government example in the market.

It seems to me that the biggest issue is that the price for all of the electricity on the spot market at any moment is set to the price of the highest bidder. Every generator benefits as long as someone is prepared to be the fall guy. As a consequence, every retailer, and thus every customer loses. Market reform and shaping are likely to have a more significant effect - provide smart meters to every customer, and permit or force time-variable market-linked consumer contracts. Supply shortages might well go away if consumers can choose (and get a benefit from) turning the aircon off for half an hour when there is a price spike.

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#990 Post by PeFe » Thu Nov 03, 2022 1:23 pm

So how do you integrate large industrial facilities (that use a lot of power) into the renewable energy world. Probably with a ppa (power purchase agreement) like this one between Neoen and BHP.
Neoen to use wind and big battery in “first of its kind” baseload contract with BHP

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French renewable energy developer Neoen says it has signed a first of its kind “baseload” contract with mining giant BHP to supply power to its huge Olympic Dam mine with a combination of wind and battery storage.

The contract is for 70MW and will deliver energy 24/7. The wind power will come from the first 412MW stage of the Goyder South wind farm, now under construction. It will be supported by a new 300MW big battery at Blyth, also in South Australia, that could have up to 800MWh of storage.

The contract is expected to meet half of Olympic Dam’s forecast electricity needs from 2025, and will account for around half of the output of the Goyder South wind farm, which is also contracted to the ACT government and retailer Flow Power.

Neoen Australia managing director Louis de Sambucy says the new contract demonstrates Neoen’s ability to leverage its portfolio of renewable generation and storage assets to offer, for the first time, firm delivery of green power.

“We are delighted to provide BHP with this highly innovative solution,” he said in a statement. “We are convinced that our ability to combine our assets and our energy management capabilities to create bespoke commercial offers will be a key element of success for our future developments.”

Neoen says that Goyder South has one of the best wind resources in the country – which means its capacity factor is expected to be around 50 per cent.

It will grow into what Neoen’s expects will be a massive renewables zone, potentially the largest hybrid facility in Australia, with up to 1200MW of wind, 600MW of solar, and 900MW and 1800MWh of battery storage.

The new deal means that 209MW of the output of the first stage of Goyder South will be underpinned by two long term power purchase agreements with the ACT government and retailer Flow Power, while another 203MW will be underpinned by this new 70MW baseload contract with BHP.

The Blyth Battery, to be located near the town of the same now, received planning consent for up to 300MW of capacity and 800MWh of storage. The final design is yet to be agreed.

Neoen has been behind many of the most significant battery storage developments in Australia, including the original Tesla big battery, aka the Hornsdale Power Reserve (pictured above) in South Australia, and the Victoria Big Battery, which at 300MW/450MWh remains the biggest in the country.

It is also a highly successful wind and solar developer, and is currently building the country’s biggest solar farm, the 400MW Western Downs project in Queensland, as well as the 157MW Kaban wind farm in the north of that state.

For BHP, the deal with Neoen will contribute to its target to reduce operational emissions by at least 30 per cent by 2030.

“Renewable energy partnerships, such as this agreement with Neoen, are important steps towards that outcome, and our longer-term 2050 net zero goal,” said BHP chief commercial officer Vandita Pant.

BHP Olympic Dam asset president Jennifer Purdie says the offtake deal with Neoen will also help BHP to produce copper – itself in increasing demand for use in the decarbonisation of electricity – more sustainably.

“The world needs South Australia’s high-quality copper to build renewable technologies and infrastructure.”

Neoen chair and CEO Xavier Barbaro thanked BHP for its “vote of confidence” in the company’s 24/7 energy offering.

“This first baseload PPA is a significant step forward for Neoen and will serve as a template for future contracts, opening up new market opportunities in Australia and in the rest of the world,” he said.

Neoen expects the construction and operation of this wind and battery project to create approximately 250 construction jobs and 15 permanent jobs in South Australia.

https://reneweconomy.com.au/neoen-signs ... g-battery/
I believe that BHP have already signed an agreement with Iberdrola to source power from their Port Augusta wind and solar farm.

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