News & Discussion: The 30 Year Plan for Greater Adelaide

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Re: News & Discussion: The 30 Year Plan for Greater Adelaide

#136 Post by Vee » Wed May 31, 2017 10:06 pm

It's not the 30 Year Plan but it could be of interest in this discussion.

Shaping Future Cities - Make it Adelaide
This 28 page report (first in a series of four) by Deloitte can be downloaded from the link below.

The later chapters highlight a range of industries and growth ideas for Adelaide to secure its place 'as a globally competitive mid-sized city.'
Deloitte is committed to working with industry, the community, and government to develop and deliver a set of practical solutions that help to strengthen the South Australian economy....
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Re: News & Discussion: The 30 Year Plan for Greater Adelaide

#137 Post by mshagg » Wed May 31, 2017 10:20 pm

claybro wrote: The question is, is economic development via constant increasing of the population sustainable? Probably not. It is masking some pretty big problems underlying in the Australian economy.
This question is not unique to Australia, but I suspect revising the monetary system and capitalism more broadly is perhaps beyond the scope of Weatherill's 30 year plan.

The example you raise is relevant and certainly not unique. So many people migrating to Australia are doing so because they have done well in their country of origin and are coming here for a better way of life - this is pretty much business as usual for Australia since WWII. Not only should we resist adopting a hostile attitude to a greater intake in South Australia, we should establish policy settings which makes it attractive for them to plant their family's flag in Adelaide rather than Sydney or Melbourne.

It's a story which fits neatly into the recent revisions to the 30 year plan, which focuses on high/medium density residential in inner suburbs; the benefits of population density without putting strain on public infrastructure, furthering urban sprawl or over inflating the value of existing housing stock.
rev wrote: I don't understand why some of you are unable to comprehend the simple argument that governments should be trying to improve the economy, create new jobs, new industries/support existing industries to expand, first and foremost for PEOPLE ALREADY LIVING IN THIS COUNTRY!!
Although well-intentioned, this kind of economic nationalism ignores Australia's reliance on foreign capital, as evidenced by our current account deficits, which have now persisted for decades. We have always imported capital from around the world to build our economy and often that money has an individual attached to it. If you want existing citizens to improve their employment prospects, dissuading that economic activity is not the way to go about it.

There is a well established body of work which articulates the economic benefits of migration.

These comments dont even touch the sides of the benefits migration yields in an ageing economy.
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Re: News & Discussion: The 30 Year Plan for Greater Adelaide

#138 Post by Norman » Wed May 31, 2017 10:53 pm

I still don't understand why governments keep talking about "we have created x amount of jobs". Unless they are working on a publicly funded project or in the public service, the government did not create those jobs. They may have facilitated creation of jobs by providing a stable place to do business with the right tax and policy settings, but they didn't directly create them. That's where private capital comes in to build businesses and export goods, which is where our wealth comes from. And, yes, skilled migrants and foreign investment play a key role in achieving those economic outcomes.

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Re: News & Discussion: The 30 Year Plan for Greater Adelaide

#139 Post by Vee » Thu Jun 01, 2017 7:41 am

Adelaide - Smart City
Smart city advice for Adelaide from ex-US presidential contender Martin O'Malley
Adelaide aspires to be a smart city, but there are lots of different ideas about what that will involve.

The SA Government is currently trying to lure innovative companies to the state, from the medical science and high-tech manufacturing fields for example.
And Adelaide City Council is working towards using sensor technology to regulate city parking and operate lighting.

But Martin O'Malley, an expert in the area and a former United States presidential contender, thinks becoming a smart city requires much more than installing the latest gadgets.
"Smart cities work to make themselves more inclusive — socially, economically and politically " he said, while in Adelaide this week to address a smart cities conference.

"[They] are healthier cities [and] work to make themselves more sustainable.
"Smart cities understand the tides of change and seek to take advantage of them."

Mr O'Malley has decades of experience running cities, as a Baltimore mayor and later as the governor of Maryland from 2006 to 2015.
Baltimore has been described by one commentator as "a little city that fell on hard times and is picking itself up again".

South Australia could also be seen as facing such an era, as it searches for a future beyond the demise of much of its traditional manufacturing industry, including car making.
Quality of life aspirations
Mr O'Malley said smart cities prioritised quality of life and sought effective transport systems, energy efficiency, good accessibility, security and the best technology.

"The next generation is yearning for closer connections and the ability to be free of the burden and bondage of a car."
"They want to live, work, play — be able to walk, or ride their bike to where they need to go.

"People are coming back to cities that are better governed, smarter, safer and more vibrant places."
He said such principles were being embraced by many cities at the forefront of change.

"Cities are going through industrial changes and economic changes."
"Lots of people are having to change careers and upskill themselves.

"The movement is very, very real and will be the hallmark of the next 100 years of our development on the planet."
Is Adelaide on the right track?
Mr O'Malley believes Adelaide will be a smart city of the future, provided leaders keep "governing for the people".

"I'm talking about the investments in life science and biotechnology."
"You obviously have big investments coming in defence [and] South Australia was, I think, the first place where you've tested the driverless car."
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Re: News & Discussion: The 30 Year Plan for Greater Adelaide

#140 Post by SBD » Wed Jun 14, 2017 10:40 pm

I recently attended a (national) presentation that made a couple of interesting points about South Australian employment:
  • The continuous ship build programme means it's OK to encourage a year nine girl to consider a career in marine engineering
  • A company at Beverley that previously made components primarily for Holden, with a sideline of Toyota components is now making things for Navy ships. They are doing well enough that the items are being bought for the entire US Navy, and the royalties from that will likely cover the cost of buying the widgets for the Royal Australian Navy. They are also going to be marketed to other allied Navies (I didn't understand what the thing was, but the speaker sounded excited).
  • When the shipbuilding starts in earnest, Australia will not have enough qualified marine engineers. The speaker suggested that a condition of the skilled migration should be that to be allowed to stay in Australia, an immigrant must be able to prove that they have trained three Australians to do the same job. I have no idea if this can be enforced.
It's not all doom-and-gloom, but not always staring us in the face if we don't look for it, either.

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Re: News & Discussion: The 30 Year Plan for Greater Adelaide

#141 Post by PeFe » Wed Nov 29, 2017 6:02 am

Another Deloitte report on the future of Adelaide
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Re: News & Discussion: The 30 Year Plan for Greater Adelaide

#142 Post by ChillyPhilly » Tue Mar 27, 2018 1:12 am

Just a thought, but it will be interesting (hopefully not in a negative way) to see what a Liberal State Government does with this, as well as the Integrated Transport and Land Use Plan.
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Re: News & Discussion: The 30 Year Plan for Greater Adelaide

#143 Post by Norman » Wed Apr 11, 2018 2:28 pm

New SA planning minister Stephan Knoll juggles certainty with demands for change
Apr 10 2018 at 4:59 PM
by Michael Bleby

SA's Liberal government will continue the planning reforms set in place by the previous Labor government to curb urban sprawl, cut red tape and give certainty to planning processes, new planning minister Stephan Knoll says.

The government elected to power last month will continue the four-year process of planning reforms begun by its predecessor as it seeks to boost investment and draw skilled workers to the state that is ageing fastest, Mr Knoll said.

"The last thing we want to see is uncertainty in the planning sector that may hold off development decisions on being made," Mr Knoll said in an interview with The Australian Financial Review.

"We want to deliver certainty to the construction and property sectors so they feel confident in investing."

It's a delicate balancing act for the one-term politician, who before his 2014 election to the Tanunda, Barossa Valley-based regional seat of Schubert managed his family's smallgoods company.


Before the March 17 election that ended SA Labor's 16-year grip on power Mr Knoll was the party's shadow minister for police, emergency and correctional services and the property-related portfolios of planning, transport and infrastructure and local government as well as a portfolio covering the City of Adelaide are new ground for him.

But he faces demands from both the residential and commercial property sectors for change. The oldest mainland state – and the one that as of September accounted for just 7 per cent of Australia's population – needs a planning system that can promote better and more liveable urban infill housing stock.

"There's urgency around that," said Kym Pryde, the SA president of the Planning Institute of Australia.

"Rates of divorce are high, co-parenting, shared parenting and all of those things are changing. Elderly parents are wanting to live with their families. All of that stuff happens in every city regardless of the rate of growth, so flexibility with housing choices is a problem, regardless of our growth rate".

The commercial property industry is also pushing for further change to a land tax regime under which Adelaide office landlords –whose 15.4 per cent vacancy rate is well above the national average 9.6 per cent – pay the country's highest top-tier rate of 3.7 per cent. Even a promised cut to 2.9 per cent will leave it as the country's highest.

"The government has committed to further reforms to make SA nationally competitive, which means further reductions to the top marginal rate," said the Property Council of Australia's SA executive director Daniel Gannon.

More sensitive
JLL research shows nearly two-thirds of assets and 44 per cent of office stock by net lettable area is owned by private companies and investors. High rates impede the ability of individual owners, more so than institutions, to reinvest in and upgrade their buildings.

"Private investors are more sensitive," said Jamie Guerra, JLL's managing director for SA.

Mr Knoll, who said the government had no further intention of reforming land taxes beyond the promised cut, said the focus was on lowering business costs through a range of measures such as reforms to payroll taxes, reduced energy costs, and capping council rates.

"If we can build demand by reducing the cost of doing business we're going to see that demand translate into the property sector through new investments."

Mr Knoll, who last week turned his first sod – for developer Wellstone Property's East End residential project in the Adelaide CBD – pointed to new residential development as a source of growth.

"While the office accommodation vacancy rates are high, we are seeing more development in the residential apartment space, student accommodation space," he said. "We are seeing good growth."

Mr Gannon said more apartments wouldn't help office landlords.

"Injecting further residential supply in the CBD doesn't address the problem," he said. ... 409-h0yjg9

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Re: 30-year Plan for Greater Adelaide

#144 Post by Nguyen » Thu Dec 13, 2018 11:24 pm

Norman wrote:
Mon Jul 06, 2009 6:18 pm
The plan is accessible here:
Thanks for the link.

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