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Re: News & Discussion: Trams

#4696 Post by 1NEEDS2POST » Tue Jan 31, 2023 10:23 pm

The article mentions Melbourne has transponders on the trams to keep traffic lights green. That's something sorely needed here since the trams are always getting held up at red lights.

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Re: News & Discussion: Trams

#4697 Post by Westside » Wed Feb 01, 2023 12:00 pm

Canberra has traffic light priority for trams on its line and its brilliant. 12km long line, dozens of intersections and you'll rarely stop at more than 1 red light the whole trip.

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Re: News & Discussion: Trams

#4698 Post by A-Town » Wed Feb 01, 2023 5:45 pm

1NEEDS2POST wrote:
Tue Jan 31, 2023 10:23 pm
The article mentions Melbourne has transponders on the trams to keep traffic lights green. That's something sorely needed here since the trams are always getting held up at red lights.
100% needed in the city and at Greenhill Rd.

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Re: News & Discussion: Trams

#4699 Post by rev » Sun Feb 05, 2023 4:23 pm

Don't think this was posted mid last year? Interesting take on it with Albo as PM though. Correct me if I'm wrong, but there's hasn't been any hint of AdeLink since both Albo and Mali have come to power?
Now he’s PM, Anthony Albanese can help Malinauskas get Adelaide’s tram plans back on track
ANDREW SADAUSKAS
7 JULY 2022

SOUTH AUSTRALIA SERIES No 3: The recent election of Prime Minister Anthony Albanese could become a catalyst for reviving a visionary infrastructure project called AdeLINK that would transform Adelaide into a modern, sustainable transit-oriented metropolis.

Public transport sits at the heart of South Australia’s planning strategy. The 30-year plan for Adelaide calls for medium density development within walking distance of train and tram corridors.

But a big roadblock to achieving the economic and sustainability gains envisioned by the plan is the limited size of the city’s public transport network.

As architectural firm Baukultur director David Homburg tells The Fifth Estate, in many parts of Adelaide, “you have to own a car, because it’s too far away from public transport”.

In its 2019 Australian Infrastructure Audit, Infrastructure Australia found the poor performance of Adelaide’s urban transport networks caused traffic delays that cost $1.4 billion in 2016, growing to $2.6 billion in 2031.

In 2013, the then-premier, Jay Weatherill, unveiled a visionary plan to solve these problems, called AdeLINK. It would have seen Adelaide’s tram network massively expand, with five new lines linking the suburbs to the city, along with a loop line around the CBD.

However, in his first act in office, former Liberal premier Steven Marshall dumped the proposal, despite it being identified as a priority project by IA. (He also privatised the operation of the state’s train and tram network to Keolis Downer in a 12-year contract worth $2.1 billion.)

Now here’s where things get a bit interesting.

Because it turns out a prominent federal MP was a big supporter of AdeLINK. In fact, back in 2017 this politician wrote: “Malcolm Turnbull must use this month’s federal budget to match his rhetoric on public transport with actual investment in the AdeLINK upgrade of Adelaide’s tram system.”

Who was the Labor MP who wrote that? None other than the then federal shadow transport spokesperson: Anthony Albanese.

So now that Labor is back in power, both at state and federal level, is it time to take another look at AdeLINK? The Fifth Estate spoke to three top Adelaide transport and planning experts to find out.

Plans derailed by limited public transport
The 30-year Plan for Greater Adelaide envisions a medium density, walkable tree-covered city close to public transport.

But the quality and size of the city’s train and tram networks means that this vision hasn’t been fully embraced by the community.

There are two main train lines of the Adelaide network: the southern line to Seaford (with a branch line to Flinders and Tonsley), and the northern line to Gawler, which reopened in June after being electrified.

There are also two smaller train lines running north west through Port Adelaide to the Outer Harbour (with a branch line to Grange), and southeast to Belair, in the foothills of the Adelaide Ranges.

Beyond the trains, Adelaide’s tram network consists of a single line from the city to the seaside suburb of Glenelg, which in recent years has been extended to the Entertainment Centre. Although very limited, Hart says this line is very successful.

There’s also a very unique 12 kilometre guided busway (where buses travel on concrete rails that guide their wheels) called the O-Bahn, which runs to Tea Tree Plaza in the city’s Northwest.

Where the problems lie
The big issue is that these rail networks don’t effectively cover the metropolitan area.

Adelaide is a city constrained by its geography, Planning Institute of Australia SA division president Cate Hart tells The Fifth Estate. It has the coast on the west, and the Adelaide Ranges in the east.

This has led to it becoming a “linear city” that now sprawls from Gauler in the north to Aldinga in the south.

“Because it’s a linear city that’s 120 kilometres long now, and we don’t have a good radial network system, it takes a long time for users of public transport to actually get to their destination,” Hart says.

“So that’s a disincentive to then utilise it and potentially then to recognise the opportunity to live close to a transport node isn’t at the forefront.”

Another issue is that, unlike its European or eastern seaboard counterparts, the train network is “seen as being a bit of an older network” because, until recently, it didn’t have electric trains.

Even though the city’s two main train lines have now been electrified, Hart says the government still uses a combination of electric and diesel trains, because of a shortage of rolling stock.

“Hopefully, the electrification will get more modern rolling stock and see people embracing the opportunity to travel on electric trains,” she says.

In turn, the relatively small number of people using public transport (compared to Sydney, Brisbane or Melbourne) contributes to one of the biggest criticisms of the higher density in the 30 year plan for Adelaide: that there’s too many cars parked in the street.

“We’re still a very car dependent city and the thought process of living within 20 minutes of your destination, whilst unrealistic, is still at the forefront of many people’s minds,” Hart says.

AdeLINK
The previous Jay Weatherill/Mike Rann, Labor state government which introduced the 30 year plan for Adelaide, had intentions to overcome these transport issues.

It proposed a major expansion of the city’s tram network, as part of a policy known as AdeLINK.

Dr Andrew Allan, senior lecturer in transport, urban and regional planning at the University of South Australia tells The Fifth Estate: “AdeLINK was the tram project to extend tram lines into all of the inner suburbs of Adelaide. So south, north, east, west.

“Revisiting that is not a bad idea, because the plans could do a good job serving inner city or inner suburban areas. It’s probably not so good for the more spread out suburbs.”

AdeLINK included new tram lines to Prospect in the north, Norwood in the east, Unley in the south, and the airport in the west. It also included a new line looping around the CBD, and a conversion of the Outer Harbour rail line from diesel trains to electric light rail.

“When Marshall came in as premier, the first thing he did was cancel AdeLINK, which was the new tram project that was advocated by Weatherill and the federal government,” Allan says.

But while Marshall dropped plans for more trams, he kept the parts of the planning code that encouraged more infill development in the inner suburbs. The end result is the issue of on-street parking that many residents are now complaining about.

Big sustainability dividends
While there is a high upfront cost to building a major light rail project, such as AdeLINK, there are also big benefits to be had both economically (from higher density development), and in terms of sustainability (by making the city less dependent on petrol-based cars).

“Whether it’s tram or train, new mass transit drives a more intensive urban form … If you’ve got tram corridors, for example, you allow more dense development around those tram corridors, where people can walk to those public transport corridors,” Baukultur’s David Homburg says.

“What you’re effectively trying to do is get people out of cars and get them on to public transport, so you’re offering choice and the ability to not necessarily have to own a car.”

In particular, a tram loop around Adelaide’s CBD could be a catalyst for more residential development.

This could take pressure off the inner suburbs, and help to alleviate the heritage concerns that some people have with South Australia’s planning code.

“In the city, I think there’s the ability to run a broader tram network, which would facilitate more residential development, because ‘the square mile’ is quite a large footprint, and some areas are at least a 20 minute walk. A tram could reduce some of those travel times in the city,” Homburg says.

“If we focus [development] on the city, that helps alleviate some of those concerns in urban areas from a heritage and character perspective. If you want to live in more dense areas, that’s where you can do it.”

Suburban sprawl
Another issue for Adelaide’s public transport network is the suburban sprawl taking place on the city’s northern and southern fringes.

While the 30-year plan favours medium density in existing suburbs, it still allows for new suburbs to be built – and many of these new suburbs don’t have good access to rail.

Because these suburbs follow a fairly typical pattern of single-zoned detached family homes, combined with a lack of rail access, these new estates end up being very car dependent.

It’s a problem that could become worse if Premier Peter Malinauskas chooses to favour heritage over densification in existing suburbs in his review of the state’s planning code.

“For example, Buckland Park has been developed for something like 10,000 households on the northern fringe of Adelaide. And how are they going to get there? Well, there’s an express way,” University of South Australia’s Andrew Allan says.

“I think we need to think about how we’re going to move those people, because there isn’t a train line. So perhaps, an extension of the train line to that part of that part of Adelaide, which isn’t very well served by public transport, should be a priority.”

Transport projects should look at…
So what should the priorities be for Premier Malinauskas and Prime Minister Albanese, when it comes to transport in Adelaide?

And where do trams fit in the mix?

“You need to look at the total picture. You need to look at micromobility options. You need to look at middle distance travelling options, which trams do quite well,” University of South Australia’s Andrew Allan says.

“And then over longer distances, I think, probably trains. Buses have the advantage of flexibility, but I think we want to make sure that they’re electrified and not diesel or natural gas. So I would go for something that is zero emissions across the board.

Particularly around the inner city, PIA’s Cate Hart says trams would be more readily accepted if they don’t have the overhead wires seen in Melbourne.

This could potentially be achieved through trackless trams, the third-rail system used in the Sydney CBD, or the battery-powered trams used in Newcastle.

“I think installing a pole and wire network into the city doesn’t demonstrate what actually is happening over in Europe and with modern technology,” she says.

“That’s the approach we should be taking, which leads to a potentially more flexible tram network and addresses the opportunity for a more regular public transport system from a passenger perspective, and can actually lead to less congestion than a whole lot of buses jostling with cars on the road network.

Meanwhile, along with more inner city trams, Baukultur director David Homburg points out there needs to be better quality cycling infrastructure to support more residential development in the CBD.

“The way that I view it is to provide some genuine choice, where if you want to live in the suburbs, you can, and if you want to live in a more concentrated inner urban area, you can choose to live in the city because you’ve got the ability to walk, ride, and not have to own a car.

“And then you’ve got a genuine choice, whereas Adelaide tends not to have that at the moment.”
https://thefifthestate.com.au/urbanism/ ... -on-track/

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Re: News & Discussion: Trams

#4700 Post by Nort » Mon Feb 06, 2023 8:56 am

I agree with most of the things in that article, but it's all just the authors commentary unfortunately. South Road is going to suck up all the transport spending for the next decade.

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#4701 Post by [Shuz] » Mon Feb 06, 2023 11:51 am

Not true. Koutsantonis has hinted on a couple of occasions now that public transport will get a big spending boost in the next couple of State Budgets.
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#4702 Post by Nort » Mon Feb 06, 2023 3:22 pm

[Shuz] wrote:
Mon Feb 06, 2023 11:51 am
Not true. Koutsantonis has hinted on a couple of occasions now that public transport will get a big spending boost in the next couple of State Budgets.
Hopefully, if I'm wrong I'll be very happy, but between South Road and ending the privatisation contracts I still think we're unlikely to see any big new public transport projects in this term.

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Re: News & Discussion: Trams

#4703 Post by rubberman » Mon Feb 06, 2023 4:05 pm

[Shuz] wrote:
Mon Feb 06, 2023 11:51 am
Not true. Koutsantonis has hinted on a couple of occasions now that public transport will get a big spending boost in the next couple of State Budgets.
I'd like to think so. However, it's a major project. It wasn't mentioned at the last election. And the election before, when it was mentioned, Labor lost. Weatherill was an infrastructure Premier. Malinauskas, not so much.

If the Federal Government was handing out infrastructure money, it could happen. However, it was left with a huge debt of near a trillion dollars and rising interest rates. That $40bn given by the previous government to companies that didn't need it by Jobkeeper would have been handy...but it's gone.

The biggest hope is if Labor makes a promise before the next Fed or State election. That's a big maybe, and it's 3 years off for the promise, and another 4 before they have to deliver...and that might just be a first stage. Eg half of Adelink by 2030. Underwhelming. Of course, the other party will do even less. Underwhelming-er.

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Re: News & Discussion: Trams

#4704 Post by gnrc_louis » Thu Feb 09, 2023 9:52 am

Well, don’t expect tram spending: https://indaily.com.au/news/2023/02/08/ ... transport/

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#4705 Post by Nort » Thu Feb 09, 2023 1:56 pm

gnrc_louis wrote:
Thu Feb 09, 2023 9:52 am
Well, don’t expect tram spending: https://indaily.com.au/news/2023/02/08/ ... transport/
Yeah, that's about a clear a statement as you can get that they have decided the election loss was a referendum on trams.

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#4706 Post by Nathan » Thu Feb 09, 2023 2:01 pm

Nort wrote:
Thu Feb 09, 2023 1:56 pm
gnrc_louis wrote:
Thu Feb 09, 2023 9:52 am
Well, don’t expect tram spending: https://indaily.com.au/news/2023/02/08/ ... transport/
Yeah, that's about a clear a statement as you can get that they have decided the election loss was a referendum on trams.
It's a dumb take though, because even though trams was one policy they took to that election, it sure as hell wasn't a referendum on them nor was it a particularly critical issue on why they lost.

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Re: News & Discussion: Trams

#4707 Post by rubberman » Thu Feb 09, 2023 2:40 pm

Nathan wrote:
Thu Feb 09, 2023 2:01 pm
Nort wrote:
Thu Feb 09, 2023 1:56 pm
gnrc_louis wrote:
Thu Feb 09, 2023 9:52 am
Well, don’t expect tram spending: https://indaily.com.au/news/2023/02/08/ ... transport/
Yeah, that's about a clear a statement as you can get that they have decided the election loss was a referendum on trams.
It's a dumb take though, because even though trams was one policy they took to that election, it sure as hell wasn't a referendum on them nor was it a particularly critical issue on why they lost.
It's a political statement, but silly. There's no reason to tip his hand at the moment. It really depends on whether the Libs can organise themselves by 2026. If it looks like a close thing, trams will be on the agenda - especially since the Libs won't be able to match it next time.

Of course, at the moment, the Libs don't look like a threat. So, maybe the 2030 election?

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Re: News & Discussion: Trams

#4708 Post by A-Town » Thu Feb 09, 2023 3:17 pm

I think the majority of voters wouldn't be against tram extensions to areas like North Adelaide and the Airport.

Tram extensions proposals weren't the reason why Labor lost the 2018 election.

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Re: News & Discussion: Trams

#4709 Post by rubberman » Thu Feb 09, 2023 5:53 pm

A-Town wrote:
Thu Feb 09, 2023 3:17 pm
I think the majority of voters wouldn't be against tram extensions to areas like North Adelaide and the Airport.

Tram extensions proposals weren't the reason why Labor lost the 2018 election.
Agreed. But I think that Koutsantonis's point is that they didn't help win.

The tram extensions are expensive. From a political perspective spending large amounts of money only makes sense if it looks like winning an election.

If it wasn't a winner in 2018, and wasn't even discussed in 2022, is it going to be a winner in 2026?

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#4710 Post by [Shuz] » Thu Feb 09, 2023 6:46 pm

I don't know what Kouts is playing at but there's definitely a lot more happening behind the scenes than he's letting on publicly.
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