Federal election 2022

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Who are you voting for in the 2022 Australian Federal Election

Liberal
4
13%
Labor
11
34%
Greens
9
28%
One Nation
3
9%
Nationals
0
No votes
Australia United
0
No votes
Independant
5
16%
 
Total votes: 32

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Re: Federal election 2022

#106 Post by Nort » Wed May 04, 2022 9:13 am

Meanwhile, in no really, PHON is really a totally viable alternative land:

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-n ... candidates
Emails reveal One Nation’s last-minute scramble to find candidates
One Nation was still scrambling to find people to run for this month’s federal election just hours before the close of nominations, telling one prospective candidate to leave the electorate he was running in “blank” on his form while the party desperately tried to fill seats.

The Guardian can also reveal that several of the candidates chosen to run for the party live in other states from the seat they’re standing in, including a husband and wife couple selected to run in separate seats in New South Wales and Victoria.
Pauline Hanson said last month that One Nation would field candidates in all of the House of Representative seats for the first time thanks to “enormous support” from membership, which she said had “grown exponentially” during the pandemic.

“It’s taken almost 12 months to bed down the team we’re taking to voters at this election,” she said at the time.
But internal emails seen by the Guardian show the party was still trying to find people to run for it just hours before the nominating deadline on 21 April, telling one prospective candidate One Nation didn’t “require you to do anything or campaign at all”.

Rob Sinclair says that after contacting One Nation seeking to run as their candidate in his local electorate of Parramatta, the party instead asked him to nominate for a range of other seats, including some as far away as Victoria and South Australia.

Sinclair says he refused and after some negotiation believed the party had agreed to let him to stand in Parramatta.

He filled out a nomination form, and on 19 April One Nation contacted him to say the form had been “lodged with the AEC”.

But two days later on 21 April, the date that final nominations closed, the party again contacted Sinclair, this time telling him One Nation had “received advice from the AEC that they have not accepted your nomination form”.

“Something about the form being illegible,” the party stated in an email.
“Could I urgently get you to complete the attached form again and resend ASAP? We have a midday cutoff.”

The party also instructed Sinclair to “leave the Division blank and leave your email blank”.

At about this time, Sinclair noticed the subject line on the emails had changed from “candidate opportunity” to “Banks”.

“I note you have BANKS in the subject title; we had agreed on PARRAMATTA,” he replied. “Could you please rectify this?”

Eight minutes later, at 10.18am, less than two hours before nominations closed, the party replied saying One Nation already had a candidate in Parramatta but still had to fill other seats.

“Can we please put you in a seat where we don’t have a candidate?” the party said in an email. “Please let me know urgently.”

Sinclair refused, writing in an email: “As your goal is to simply put a name on a seat, you can choose someone else’s name”.

Last week, the Guardian revealed the candidate One Nation did eventually nominate to run in Banks claimed he had “no idea” he was running in the seat.

Malcolm Heffernan, who has been referred to the Australian federal police for allegedly nominating in two separate seats on other sides of the country, claimed he did not know he was a candidate for One Nation.

Heffernan told Guardian Australia he originally agreed to run for the party in Banks, despite thinking it was “weird” because he lives in Western Australia. He filled out a nomination form, but says he was later told his “services were no longer required”.

Believing One Nation no longer wanted him to run, he says he instead nominated for the little-known Australian Federation party in WA. Last week he said he was “massively annoyed” at being referred to the AFP for potential breaches of the Electoral Act.

“It’s 100% not my fault,” he said.

One Nation said on Friday that it would “fully cooperate with the AFP’s investigation” and would undertake its own internal investigation.

Banks is not the only electorate in which the party appears to have waited until late in the nomination process to field a candidate.

Ben Raue, who runs the Tally Room election site, noted that 10 days before the close of nominations, only 57 One Nation candidates appeared to have registered to run. By the close of nominations they had filled 149 seats, two short of their initial goal.

The emails to Sinclair also suggest the party was not concerned about fielding active candidates in seats such as Parramatta or Banks. When he submitted his nomination form for Parramatta, One Nation told Sinclair there was “nothing more you need to do other than vote for One Nation on May 21”.
When Sinclair asked what he should do if he was “asked by anyone for an opinion on anything policy related”, the party replied that he should read the party’s website. He was given an email address to send any media responses for approval.

As the party tried to convince Sinclair to run in Banks on 21 April, he was told: “We don’t require you to do anything or campaign at all.”

While Hanson boasted in April that the party’s membership had soared due to Covid-era lockdowns, many of its candidates are running in seats thousands of kilometres from where they will vote on election day. There is no requirement in Australia that candidates live in their electorate.

The party’s eventual candidate in Parramatta, Heather Freeman, for example, runs a business offering counselling, hypnotherapy, and “equine assisted growth and learning” with an address in Heathcote in Victoria.
When the Guardian contacted her this week Freeman confirmed she was the party’s candidate, but would not answer questions about where she lived. However the AEC confirmed Freeman had nominated from a Heathcote address.

In another example, Darrin Marr is running in the seat of Kingsford-Smith, about 950 kilometres from the Victorian seat of Flinders where his wife Cynthia is One Nation’s candidate.

Asic filings list the couple’s address as the seaside Victorian town of Rosebud, within Flinders, where they run a real estate agency on the Mornington Peninsula. The AEC confirmed Darrin Marr had also nominated from Rosebud.

In the inner-west Sydney seat held of Grayndler, held by opposition leader Anthony Albanese, One Nation’s candidate is Paul Henselin, who has previously run for the party in the Queensland state seat of Scenic Rim.

In a video posted to One Nation senator Malcolm Robert’s Facebook in 2020, Henselin described himself as a “fifth generation” resident of south-east Queensland.

“There’s even a street named after us,” he said.

The Guardian attempted to contact both Darrin and Cynthia Marr and Henselin.

One Nation did not respond to a series of detailed questions.

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Re: Federal election 2022

#107 Post by rubberman » Wed May 04, 2022 10:51 am

rev wrote:
Wed May 04, 2022 3:56 am
rubberman wrote:
Sat Apr 30, 2022 7:25 pm
rubberman wrote:
Tue Apr 19, 2022 2:33 pm


Well, that's easy enough. For One Nation, they propose tariffs. Those have been comprehensively debunked, because:

They are extremely inefficient taxes meaning lots of public servants' wages taking up a lot of the tax.

They greatly increase costs of living by making everything more expensive. That's the aim of them, to make things more expensive. So, if you really mean things being too expensive as you say in your list, then ON policies won't work, literally batshit crazy to say here's a policy to increase costs, but it will reduce them. Nuts.

They also attract retaliatory tariffs from other countries. That means our exports get hit. Since we are a trading nation, that's also crazy.

Next, ON wants to limit overseas investment. Ok. So, if that's limited, and we want to build up our own industry, and we don't want to increase the deficit (all things in your list), where's the money come from?

Then there's Clive. One of the big drags on the Australian economy is the so-called Dutch Disease. That's a big mining sector that pays little tax, employs relatively few people, and artificially raises the exchange rate. What that means is that industry in Australia that does employ people is priced out of the market because imports are cheaper by a bit and exports are more expensive by a bit. Therefore those industries are choked, plus it fuels inflation. Then, once those industries are choked out of existence, there's fewer places for retirees to invest. So, what do they do? Invest in housing, driving up prices. I had a relly who got out of industrial shares in the early 2000s and bought property. Why? Most of the companies he held shipped overseas. By investing in property, he made bank, but also helped drive up property prices. Clive Palmer campained against reforms here. Great for Clive and Gina and Andrew, of course, batshit crazy for the rest of us.
There you go rev. Go do your own research. ON and tariffs...batshit crazy.
I did.
I actually looked at thier policies, which you clearly haven't as I showed you either lied or didn't know on two of their policies. In regards to PHON.


Quoting your self doesn't make what you posted factual, just because you said it.
Especially when what you claimed, differs to their actual policy posted on their website.

See this is the problem, there's rusted on people like you, who will ever only vote one way. Too afraid to consider any alternative, and way too quick to accept the propaganda. Even when voting for one of the two majors every time has worked out oh so well for Australia.....right? I mean, we're still the lucky country, the Australian dream is alive and well for everyone here..right?
You just want us all to accept that PHON are bat shit crazy, based on some misguided belief about two of their policies.

I posted their policies, not one of them is bat shit crazy. They may not be feasible, they may not work in the long run, but they aren't bat shit crazy.

Look how fucked up this country is that's the doing of the Labor and Liberal monopoly, which counts on people like you to keep it going.

Whats really bat shit crazy, is continuing to do something that has failed.
Rev. They specifically mentioned tariffs.

Now tariffs are taxes.

So, ON wants to raise taxes.

Tariffs are really economically inefficient taxes, because they involve a huge amount of admin and checking.

So, ON wants to raise hugely inefficient taxes.

Tarrifs are taxes that raise the cost of living. The whole point is to raise the cost of anything imported.

So ON wants to raise hugely inefficient taxes which raise the cost of living.

Because tariffs raise costs, our export industries, which have to pay higher costs due to tariffs, become less competitive. If Australia imposes tariffs, our trading partners will do the same, further hitting our exports.


So, ON wants to raise hugely inefficient taxes which raise the cost of living and damage our export industries. THAT is batshit crazy, and it IS one of their policies.

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Re: Federal election 2022

#108 Post by Norman » Wed May 04, 2022 10:14 pm

rubberman wrote:
Wed May 04, 2022 10:51 am
Rev. They specifically mentioned tariffs.

Now tariffs are taxes.

So, ON wants to raise taxes.

Tariffs are really economically inefficient taxes, because they involve a huge amount of admin and checking.

So, ON wants to raise hugely inefficient taxes.

Tarrifs are taxes that raise the cost of living. The whole point is to raise the cost of anything imported.

So ON wants to raise hugely inefficient taxes which raise the cost of living.

Because tariffs raise costs, our export industries, which have to pay higher costs due to tariffs, become less competitive. If Australia imposes tariffs, our trading partners will do the same, further hitting our exports.


So, ON wants to raise hugely inefficient taxes which raise the cost of living and damage our export industries. THAT is batshit crazy, and it IS one of their policies.
Exactly. Australia didn't grow up to be a modern nation until we removed tarrifs, meaning our industries actually had to compete on a global scale and make it products either better or cheaper. Yes, many low-tech manufacturing industries like clothing have left to go offshore, but we have diversified into new areas and upscaled our manufacturing industry to make products that actually compete on a world scale.

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Re: Federal election 2022

#109 Post by rev » Sat May 14, 2022 4:51 am

https://aec.gov.au/election/candidates.htm

Everyone should have a look at who the candidates are for their seat before election day.

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Re: Federal election 2022

#110 Post by rev » Sat May 14, 2022 5:50 am

Australian Federation Party.

https://ausfedparty.com.au/policies/


Have a look, some decent policies, not bat shit crazy.
I was going to post them, but post limit is 60,000 characters and it all came to 120,000+ characters so would have been multiple posts in a wall of text
Some videos on there as well in some of their policy pages.

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Re: Federal election 2022

#111 Post by rev » Mon May 16, 2022 8:31 am

Labor's housing plan for 10,000 people each year for 3 years, is for the government to 'own' a portion of the house, to reduce the size of the loan and therefore the repayments. 10,000 people a year, is nothing. If they had no limit, it would cost the government billions.

Liberals housing plan is to allow for people to use part of their super to buy a house as long as they also have a 5% deposit to start with.
Not sure on the details such as how many people etc, but if you sell that house you have to put the money you took out of your super back in to your super.
Super is meant for our retirement, just like they let people take their super out during covid, this is just another bandaid solution for now and kicking the can down the road further and let someone else worry about it.

Both major parties are bat shit crazy and clueless.
One proposes to create more debt, and if Labors plan is popular they'll expand it creating bigger debt, the other proposes that you screw your self out of a retirement.

And then we have the most batshit crazy of the lot, the Greens, proposing to spend tens of billions to build public housing for everyone.

OneNation proposes we stop allowing non-Citizens/Residents to buy property here.

AusFederationParty wants to limit foreign ownership of land and residential property.

UnitedAustralia want to introduce a 3% max interest rate for 5 years on all home loans.

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Re: Federal election 2022

#112 Post by Nort » Sat May 21, 2022 9:54 am

rev wrote:
Mon May 16, 2022 8:31 am
And then we have the most batshit crazy of the lot, the Greens, proposing to spend tens of billions to build public housing for everyone.
Not for everyone, just enough to create a strong baseline safety net that ensures people can get housing and reduces a lot of the pressures that encourage rising rents.

It's basically just calling for a return to some of the policies that worked really well for decades in Australia.

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Re: Federal election 2022

#113 Post by Goodsy » Sat May 21, 2022 3:01 pm

rev wrote:
Mon May 16, 2022 8:31 am
One proposes to create more debt, and if Labors plan is popular they'll expand it creating bigger debt, the other proposes that you screw your self out of a retirement.
Government debt is not the same as household debt

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Re: Federal election 2022

#114 Post by Jaymz » Sat May 21, 2022 4:46 pm

Goodsy wrote:
Sat May 21, 2022 3:01 pm
rev wrote:
Mon May 16, 2022 8:31 am
One proposes to create more debt, and if Labors plan is popular they'll expand it creating bigger debt, the other proposes that you screw your self out of a retirement.
Government debt is not the same as household debt
True. The rules for debt are completely different for households and Goverments.

Government debt to me now just seems like an imaginary number on a screen, I doubt that Australia's current debt will even be paid off in the next few decades.

Since the GFC, the U.S has increased its debt ceiling numerous times, they now talk in trillions like Australia talks in billions.

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Re: Federal election 2022

#115 Post by rev » Sun May 22, 2022 8:24 am

Lol Barnaby Joyce still in meltdown this morning over independents.

One good thing to come from this election, the resignation of Scomo. Better late then never I suppose.

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Re: Federal election 2022

#116 Post by Nort » Sun May 22, 2022 9:17 am

What channel was Barnaby on doing his raging? Watching that sounds cathartic.

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#117 Post by rev » Sun May 22, 2022 6:15 pm

Saw it on Sunrise i think, very ungracious in defeat. He was less then happy with the Independents doing so well.
I think it was reported that he was angry or furious last night.

Boothby going to Labor, first time in seven decades apparently.

Sturt might fall to Labor as well. If it does, all federal seats in Adelaide will be Labor.
Should definitely revive the AdeLink tram plan, shouldn't be hard to get federal funding.

Scomo out Peter Dutton in it seems as Frydenburg lost his seat.

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Re: Federal election 2022

#118 Post by Jaymz » Sun May 22, 2022 6:21 pm

If Dutton becomes the new leader of the Coalition then it would be a huge mistake. He will take them on a path further to the right, when the people are clearly demanding action on climate change.

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Re: Federal election 2022

#119 Post by rev » Sun May 22, 2022 6:28 pm

Jaymz wrote:
Sun May 22, 2022 6:21 pm
If Dutton becomes the new leader of the Coalition then it would be a huge mistake. He will take them on a path further to the right, when the people are clearly demanding action on climate change.
Three years is a long time.
National security and defence could become a major issue for people, depending how things play out in the Pacific.
Albo is off to Japan for the quad meeting on Tuesday I think.
Labor probably won't be very appealing on defence, so they'd be hoping and trying to prevent it becoming a major election issue in a few years particularly if Dutton becomes Liberal leader as expected. But there's things outside of our governments control so they might not have a choice.

On that, with the whole metro here going red, and state Labor being in power, you'd think now we will get some clarity and a definitive answer on the new subs instead of the uncertainty from the previous government.

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Re: Federal election 2022

#120 Post by rubberman » Sun May 22, 2022 7:43 pm

rev wrote:
Sun May 22, 2022 6:28 pm
Jaymz wrote:
Sun May 22, 2022 6:21 pm
If Dutton becomes the new leader of the Coalition then it would be a huge mistake. He will take them on a path further to the right, when the people are clearly demanding action on climate change.
Three years is a long time.
National security and defence could become a major issue for people, depending how things play out in the Pacific.
Albo is off to Japan for the quad meeting on Tuesday I think.
Labor probably won't be very appealing on defence, so they'd be hoping and trying to prevent it becoming a major election issue in a few years particularly if Dutton becomes Liberal leader as expected. But there's things outside of our governments control so they might not have a choice.

On that, with the whole metro here going red, and state Labor being in power, you'd think now we will get some clarity and a definitive answer on the new subs instead of the uncertainty from the previous government.
While I wonder if Labor will do well on defence issues, the Coalition has an appalling record.

It has destroyed critical defence industries such as the automotive industry and communications. We used to be world leaders in communication satellites and switching equipment, with real technical capabilities. Now, we just assemble stuff from overseas.

The Coalition has serially bungled major defence procurement for submarines, helicopters, tanks, HAWKEI.

It has bungled soft power in Indonesia and the Pacific. The Chinese being able to pull off the Solomons agreement is directly linked to the Coalition taking its eyes off the ball.

Not to mention the corrupting of military culture by not purging the ADF of war criminals.

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